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another 99 spot - is this always a shove?
« on: January 15, 2012, 23:03:34 PM »
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Re: another 99 spot - is this always a shove?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 10:50:30 AM »
Well you obv make £50 by folding, and more than likely £100, looking at the stack sizes, so not an obv shove at all. It all boils down to whether that £100 is important to you or not, if it is fold, if not then shove.
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Re: another 99 spot - is this always a shove?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 11:38:47 AM »
Beano min-raised UTG from a 20x stack with some pretty big stacks to get through - sign of uber-strength?  Monster stack has flat called. In the BB, I think a call is probably ok here, but never shoving with those two micro stacks..... it"s not about whether the extra £100 ladder is important or not - shoving into the UTG raiser"s range is simply -EV, especially with the table stacks as they are.     Naturally this is without any reads, tendencies, or history, etc.

I think AnGel missed a trick here - if he shoves, Beano (and those still to act) must surely fold all but the top 5% hands


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Re: another 99 spot - is this always a shove?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 14:57:17 PM »
I"m with Steve on this one. Happy to call here. Only 4k out of an 80k stack and 2 big stacks in the hand so if you hit your set you"ve a decent chance of getting paid. Obviously depends on other reads and other players tendencies but with the 2 tiny stacks still left chances are you really don"t want a call if you shove. Better spots imo.

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Re: another 99 spot - is this always a shove?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 19:10:43 PM »

Beano min-raised UTG from a 20x stack with some pretty big stacks to get through - sign of uber-strength?  Monster stack has flat called. In the BB, I think a call is probably ok here, but never shoving with those two micro stacks..... it"s not about whether the extra £100 ladder is important or not - shoving into the UTG raiser"s range is simply -EV, especially with the table stacks as they are.     Naturally this is without any reads, tendencies, or history, etc.

I think AnGel missed a trick here - if he shoves, Beano (and those still to act) must surely fold all but the top 5% hands


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Though it is a really great spot for AnGel to ICM abuse by shoving, Beano would need TT+AKs about top 2.6% to make a mathematically correct call. Problem is, all that assumes Beano understands he needs to be super strong to call and that Angel understands the awesome potential for abusing.



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Re: another 99 spot - is this always a shove?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 18:24:29 PM »
thanks for the replies - I actually did flat call when I would normally shove. The thought of busting out before the micro stacks was too much to bear thinking about. I missed my 9, folded flop and went onto finish 4th, which wasn"t too bad

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