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DTD's new policy on deals
« on: February 06, 2012, 13:22:26 PM »
is interesting.

Released last night, as follows

""When Dusk Till Dawn first opened, we had a "no deals policy" for all of our tournaments, however, over time, this lapsed. We have created many big prizepools for our players, mainly through taking risks with guaranteeing the prize pool ourselves, but the most important and exciting part of the tournament - the final table, has sometimes been an anti-climax to the event, with disruptions in play while deals are trying to be negotiated, not only between the players at the final table, but with players who have taken stakes in a particular player, a trend which we have seen growing. On occasions, we have seen lesser experienced players, in particular, those players that have qualified through our satellites, not always receiving fair equity and situations have arisen where deal negotiations have created some animosity, especially when one player has refused to agree to a deal that the majority of players want to do. These are the primary reasons, however, we are also keen supporters of poker being recognised as a "sport", and part of promoting and supporting this concept is that there is an outright winner of a poker tournament. Of course, there can be a significant element of luck in winning a poker tournament, but we believe that the ability to negotiate deals should have no influence on how the prize pool is distributed. We believe this is in the best interests of poker players who choose to play tournaments at Dusk Till Dawn.""



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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 13:31:45 PM »
I would say APAT was five years ahead of the market on this. Deals kill a final IMO.
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 13:37:40 PM »

I would say APAT was five years ahead of the market on this.



Why I thought it was interesting to post it on APAT.

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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 13:43:41 PM »
 I can see two sides to the argument. From the players point of view, most people who get to a final like that, the money means somthing. When you start getting £10k + ladders i can see why some want to deal 3 or 4 handed. And the average stack may only be 25 BBs so anyone can win if they get a bit of luck.

from DTD, and Robs POV they put on massive prizepools and take risks of overlays when the weather is bad or competion of other tournys are going on, and Rob came on the live streem last night and was really annoyed with deals because there is a massive anti climax to his tournys, and someone always gets shafted unfairly in a deal           (maybe lack of experiance) and there should be an out right winner.

Personally i think if they all agree, and as long as its fair on everyones chip stack, its their money now so they can do a deal.

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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 15:00:24 PM »

Personally i think if they all agree, and as long as its fair on everyones chip stack, its their money now so they can do a deal.


This...but they are saying that this hasn"t always been the case.

All this will do is make it clear that it"s all to play for...regardless of chipstack...I think it"s a good thing and I applaud DTD for following APAT's lead.  ;D
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 15:10:20 PM »
NB...there is a qualifier though.

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"tournaments where the prize pool is guaranteed by Dusk Till Dawn will subject to a "no deals policy"."
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 17:10:35 PM »
IMO, deals are only ever likely if the payout or tournament structures are too steep in the first place.

If you"re crapshooting for massive pay jumps then I"m going to want to deal from a pure EV/variance point of view - even though I hate dealing and would rather play it out.
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 17:36:28 PM »

IMO, deals are only ever likely if the payout or tournament structures are too steep in the first place.

If you"re crapshooting for massive pay jumps then I"m going to want to deal from a pure EV/variance point of view - even though I hate dealing and would rather play it out.


I hate dealing too, I can never quite get the hang of that shuffling thing.   ;D

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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 17:41:15 PM »
I think a better option is to have a "must leave £xx for winner" policy.

The host still gets the final table played to the end and the players have the option of reducing the variance.

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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 17:54:02 PM »
 I Argee. Money left over to play for is the best of both worlds, suits the players who want to deal because of the massive pay jumps, and is good for the club as the tourny is played to an eventual winner.

As far as i know all of the GPs have had some kind of multiway chop, and most of the Super 50s and some of the deepstacks do. Dont think any of the MCs have though, but i could be wrong.

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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 18:05:44 PM »

I think a better option is to have a "must leave £xx for winner" policy.

The host still gets the final table played to the end and the players have the option of reducing the variance.


Not a big fan of deals myself, would rather play it out for all or nothing (well whatever the nxt payout is :)) The money matters to me, of course it does but i don"t buy into a tournament to play for hours then ***** out with a last minute deal, I wanna then win and reap the benefits and bragging rights.

That said if there was a deal to be done then i think the above idea would probably please most.
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 18:10:44 PM »
Deals are lik taking a train to the next town and getting out 200 yards from the station because "you"re close".  Once you"ve got your buyin and expenses back, you"re up.  Play for the win, it"s a game.
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2012, 19:56:08 PM »
I prefer to play for the win and hate the idea that often someone ends up being alienated at a table becuase they don"t want to deal. Can anyone else think of a game/sport/leisure pursuit which could lead a result of somebody "kinda" winning?
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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2012, 22:23:46 PM »
As a headline decision it is great - but how are they going to police the private deals that will be done?

Are they going to stop people taking stakes in each other - that is a deal.

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Re: DTD's new policy on deals
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 23:04:33 PM »
I hate it when the entire FT chops. Win or FTFO
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