APAT Presents The PokerStars.com National Online League

[AJDUK]

Prizes

Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.

Team:

The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.

Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?

We haven"t put the Terms thread up yet as has been mentioned elsewhere.  We will have a clause that a percentage of any winnings from the live events goes back to the team in ratio to the points that players have earned over the season. 

Thanks Des. That"s exactly what I hoped the answer would be. Suggest 50% to the player, 50% to the team (excluding the player) on a ratio basis.

That"s a LOT of prize money to give away.

The team as a whole might give the added value winners the opportunity of playing in those extra tournaments - but if they then go on to cash or even win those tournaments I don"t think you could say that half of it is down to their team mates.

Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings  

[Jon MW]

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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings  

Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself

So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?

They should be grateful for getting anything higher

[Mahound]

Fantastic arrangement, albeit with a lil sad token to lose Luton Poker Club

Luton"s loss will be a bonus for whatever team you sign for Waz. You did them credit and led from the front, you were inspiring to your fellow team members.

Theres no doubt that the team you sign for will consider themselves lucky to get such a great guy.

Are you sure that you have no Geordie ancestors born any where near, Newcastle, Sunderland or Stockton.  
Good luck

[AMRN]

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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings  

Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself

So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?

They should be grateful for getting anything higher

This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).

Of course, the player who wins the individual tally should not split his winnings - he has won that for Individual recognition and not team performance.

[Paulie_D]

This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).

Actually...they might chose (or be required) to represent another team entirely.

[Des]

This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).

Actually...they might chose (or be required) to represent another team entirely.

I believe Steve means should they win a UKIPT seat...that they are effectively representing their team in that event.

[Paulie_D]

This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).

Actually...they might chose (or be required) to represent another team entirely.

I believe Steve means should they win a UKIPT seat...that they are effectively representing their team in that event.

Oh...that makes more sense than my paranoid delusions.

[AJDUK]

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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings  

Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself

So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?

They should be grateful for getting anything higher

This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).

Of course, the player who wins the individual tally should not split his winnings - he has won that for Individual recognition and not team performance.

Jon agrees with you Steve, as does Des. I tabled a 50% split, Jon said he thought that was too much and Des agreed and said it wouldn"t be as high as 50% to the team. So this will be a discussion for later when Des tells us (or offers to discuss) the detail. Az you know, we at BCPC have for 6 seasons used a 50% split rule for our winners that represent the club in regional/national events. I"m not aware of any opposition to this, but Brian would know better than me.  

[Des]

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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings  

Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself

So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?

They should be grateful for getting anything higher

This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).

Of course, the player who wins the individual tally should not split his winnings - he has won that for Individual recognition and not team performance.

Jon agrees with you Steve, as does Des. I tabled a 50% split, Jon said he thought that was too much and Des agreed and said it wouldn"t be as high as 50% to the team. So this will be a discussion for later when Des tells us (or offers to discuss) the detail. Az you know, we at BCPC have for 6 seasons used a 50% split rule for our winners that represent the club in regional/national events. I"m not aware of any opposition to this, but Brian would know better than me. 

I will be creating a Captain"s board Andrew, and the guys can discuss and agree any outstanding issues in there.  I"m happy to leave this one to them.

[AJDUK]

I will be creating a Captain"s board Andrew, and the guys can discuss and agree any outstanding issues in there.  I"m happy to leave this one to them.

Do you mean that it will be for each team to decide with their captain or for the captains to decide a rule between them? The latter please??? Make it the same for everyone, no matter what team they are in.

[Des]

I will be creating a Captain"s board Andrew, and the guys can discuss and agree any outstanding issues in there.  I"m happy to leave this one to them.

Do you mean that it will be for each team to decide with their captain or for the captains to decide a rule between them? The latter please??? Make it the same for everyone, no matter what team they are in.

Absolutely, the Captains will confirm a position that will be entered into the terms and conditions of the National Online League and be applicable to all Regions.

[AceOnTheRiver]

I would have expected this question to have been asked already but can"t see it so I will fire away...

The league will run for 15 consecutive weeks but I"m assuming and hoping, as many of us are, that there will be multiple APAT Live events during this period.

AFAIK APAT has always avoided the 2 clashing. Can you advise what the plan is?

ty

[Des]

I would have expected this question to have been asked already but can"t see it so I will fire away...

The league will run for 15 consecutive weeks but I"m assuming and hoping, as many of us are, that there will be multiple APAT Live events during this period.

AFAIK APAT has always avoided the 2 clashing. Can you advise what the plan is?

ty

Some clashes will occur during the season JP.  PokerStars mobile may help in some cases, but hopefully it will be a relatively small number of players affected.

[Curlarge]

I would have expected this question to have been asked already but can"t see it so I will fire away...

The league will run for 15 consecutive weeks but I"m assuming and hoping, as many of us are, that there will be multiple APAT Live events during this period.

AFAIK APAT has always avoided the 2 clashing. Can you advise what the plan is?

ty

Some clashes will occur during the season JP.  PokerStars mobile may help in some cases, but hopefully it will be a relatively small number of players affected.

I"ve had a few people querying this as well Des. Could we look at holding the league game on the Monday, where it clashes with a live event.

We could easily have a situation, particularly nearer then end of the league season, where some players may have to decide whether they attend a live event or not, if they are doing well in the league. This may then dilute the overall chances of the team as well. as their numbers may be significantly down. The draw of a UKIPT seat will be a strong one.

e.g. APAT Walsall Live weekend sees 9 or the 18 WM players that played make day 2 and 4 make FT. Many would like to stay and rail their friends I"m sure, but this would leave the WM league team in a poor position to say the least. (and yes I know this is hypothetical - well the bit about APAT Walsall and 9 making day 2- and 4 making FT Not to mention those in the side game.

I guess there are 3-4 live events in the first half of season 6, which is circ 20-25% of the league games. At least that way everyone gets the chance to play all events. Just a thought.

[allinbob2]

Des and the APAT team, I couldn"t be happier with the announcement so far.  After reading the first couple of pages I totally lost interest in what I can only describe as dribble! I understand everyone is entitled to there opinion  however what you"s guys have done for amateur poker in the UK is outstanding!!  Now according to the rules who the feck can I play for this session!!!! I"m from Northern Ireland, my dads from New Zeland, we had a Portugees dog once, my aunt married a German porn star and I currently live in a 1970"s country (Gibraltar) !!!! Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated!