Captain's Thread

[nosey-p]

I'm trying to get my head around what happen last night before I posted

Well done all, only 1pt but 1pt is better than 0pt. We had 5 in the top 20, did not see the exit hands but this goes to show how tight this league is. Consistence is the key, be in the points every week then we won't be for away.    

[SolarCarrot]

Hi Wayne

I really think we (as a team) need to clarify whether we are individuals going for the win or a team who try to get as many through to the points as possible.

Yorkie74 was berated and abused by a team-mate for calling a raise with KQ (how dare she play King rag) and ultimately cracking his AA in level 2 for only 1k of the 5k chipstack

Later she shoved AQ for 10bb only to be called by the AK of a teammate who claimed "I couldn"t fold"

Obviously she is mightily confused after spending most of the night avoiding confrontation with a team-mate to be stacked by one!!

Personally I would have folded the AK in that spot as I thought that was what we did in the team games, now not so sure?

[nosey-p]

Hi Wayne

I really think we (as a team) need to clarify whether we are individuals going for the win or a team who try to get as many through to the points as possible.

Yorkie74 was berated and abused by a team-mate for calling a raise with KQ (how dare she play King rag) and ultimately cracking his AA in level 2 for only 1k of the 5k chipstack

Later she shoved AQ for 10bb only to be called by the AK of a teammate who claimed "I couldn"t fold"

Obviously she is mightily confused after spending most of the night avoiding confrontation with a team-mate to be stacked by one!!

Personally I would have folded the AK in that spot as I thought that was what we did in the team games, now not so sure?

Hi Dave

This is what i posted on page 3 of this thread


Tactics
Like in the first league, they is no team tactics as such. You pay your money you play as you see fit however this is advertised as a team game and as such I would like you to play for the team. What I mean by this is simply don"t go to battle against a team member, sure big hands will clash and we will take each other out at some point, just don"t run bluffs against each other. This becomes critical around the points bubble so get to know your team mates. I will start a thread each week to keep you up-to-date with who"s playing and how things are getting on in the game


I will give you a better response when I have time

Wayne

[adilong1]

Hi Wayne

I really think we (as a team) need to clarify whether we are individuals going for the win or a team who try to get as many through to the points as possible.

Yorkie74 was berated and abused by a team-mate for calling a raise with KQ (how dare she play King rag) and ultimately cracking his AA in level 2 for only 1k of the 5k chipstack

Later she shoved AQ for 10bb only to be called by the AK of a teammate who claimed "I couldn"t fold"

Obviously she is mightily confused after spending most of the night avoiding confrontation with a team-mate to be stacked by one!!

Personally I would have folded the AK in that spot as I thought that was what we did in the team games, now not so sure?

As a cricketer who plays in a team all summer we win as a team and lose as a team, I believe this should be happening in the national league, if you find yourself in a hand against a team mate you should just check out.

There"s no point taking each other out as this does not benefit the team, if people feel they need to win as an individual then maybe they should not bother playing for the team and enter another event.

I feel we need to stick together on this as we seem to have some very good players at Team Yorkshire.

As for abuse, not just to team mates but to anyone playing they should be removed. It"s a game of chance at the end of the day and bad beats happen. I mean its not like its £ 100 to enter or anything we are talking roughly £6!!!!

[SolarCarrot]

big +1 to both replies

[nosey-p]

In a perfect world Adrian you are right but poker is such an individual game plus when you add money into the equation then it"s impossible to play the perfect team game.

This is not 11 vs 11 it"s 1 vs 150, unless we are all in the same room and able to see each other"s cards.

We have to look at this as a good thing it shows that we are getting a good turnout and that we have had so many players going deep. This means that we are going to come up against team mates more often.

The hand that Dave mentioned  (AQ v AK) hands like this are going to clash, it"s up to each individual how they play it. Sian short stack pushers (correct) I think it was Baz (not sure) who was medium to short chips (cannot remember total) calls after sometime. In any other game it would be a snap call but he thought about it and decided that even against a team member, that this was the right play for him.  If he had more chips then he may have folded. I have to be honest and say that I would have probably called in the same situation    

What pleases me is that we are talking about this, it shows that we care for the team to win    

Like I said to Dave I will give a better response later (probably in my next email).

[adilong1]

In a perfect world Adrian you are right but poker is such an individual game plus when you add money into the equation then it"s impossible to play the perfect team game.

This is not 11 vs 11 it"s 1 vs 150, unless we are all in the same room and able to see each other"s cards.

We have to look at this as a good thing it shows that we are getting a good turnout and that we have had so many players going deep. This means that we are going to come up against team mates more often.

The hand that Dave mentioned  (AQ v AK) hands like this are going to clash, it"s up to each individual how they play it. Sian short stack pushers (correct) I think it was Baz (not sure) who was medium to short chips (cannot remember total) calls after sometime. In any other game it would be a snap call but he thought about it and decided that even against a team member, that this was the right play for him.  If he had more chips then he may have folded. I have to be honest and say that I would have probably called in the same situation    

What pleases me is that we are talking about this, it shows that we care for the team to win    

Like I said to Dave I will give a better response later (probably in my next email).

Fair point, I too would have called. I"m not sure how the hand turned out but I would have tried to check it out. The only time I wouldn"t is if the game was at a later stage and someone needed to push on looking for points.

[jockey]

hi,cant remember hand but i do remember takeing dodger out[sorry] earlier i had raised one hand a teamate pushed so i folded.turned out i was well in front.but thats team poker

[runadrum]

In any other team game you are only ever up against players from another team, so no other team game analogy can be used.

Big hands are going to clash. I want to score as many points as I can, and I want the team to get as many points as it can, but I can"t think of many situations in which I would fold Aces just because a team mate raised before me.

The only way a genuinely unselfish poker team event can be played out is if no-one pays to play and there is no prize money per MTT (mind you, I probably still wouldn"t fold Aces on principle !), or it is arranged as a series of isolated STTs with one team representative per table.

The live APAT team event avoids clashes for the most part (early on anway) because it is 20 teams of only 8 players each.  The online version is closer to the opposite scenario. 

[jockey]

I wouldnt have folded   i thought by him pushing he was tell me that he had  

[Yorkie74]

I didnt have a problem with AK also shoving after I had shoved AQ team mate or not. 

The only thing I can say is it was extremely confusing after I had taken such abuse earlier on in the game for playing a hand against a team "mate".  I wasnt even aware at the time he was on the team.  Maybe i should have familiarised myself with other team members but I had been sat out after making a real bad call and being knocked out in the 50k euros game and hadnt paid much attention.  Needless to say on reflection i would play that hand the same way.  He was annoyed I hit 2 more Kings on flop...

What I really didnt expect was the foul mouthed abuse I received from said player who said he was no "mate" of mine which actually suits me just fine to be honest.  Maybe I didnt need to  "lol" when he was knocked out but he had done the same when Dave got knocked out.  He of course had given me more abuse for this but as i said then dont give it if you cant take it

[Dodger]

Last season I twice folded JJ where I would normally have shoved with them...but a ""teammate"" had raised and I avoided the clashes.
One occasion the pot was reraised and the teammate folded...I held the winner.
Second time there was a family pot and again I would have won if staying in.
So, following the advise to be careful around the bubble, I decided to ignore the fact I was up against a teammate if, under normal circumstances, I would usually not fold.
When a player raises all-in and I hold AK, I see this as an auto-call when I"ve been playing for a while and getting nowhere.
We were nowhere near the bubble so I made the call.
Right or Wrong (and we could debate this all night long and still not get a consensus) I would be doing this again given the same circumstances.
Just for the record...


***** Hand 2946793020 *****
300.00/600.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit )
Hand started: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:27:48 PM
APAT Nat League 2 (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: DBOOT (6682.00)
Seat 2: Y0rkie74 (5304.00)
Seat 3: DodgerAPAT (5476.00)
Seat 4: beezleboss (26720.00)
Seat 5: theD0NKEY (16604.00)
Seat 6: 19ant66 (6308.00)
Seat 7: Dexterdeuc (8837.00)
Seat 8: blowfly34 (7060.00)
Seat 9: Merkland. (2726.00)
Seat 10: XRicayBoyX (7904.00)
blowfly34 is Dealer
DBOOT post Ante 50.00
Y0rkie74 post Ante 50.00
DodgerAPAT post Ante 50.00
beezleboss post Ante 50.00
theD0NKEY post Ante 50.00
19ant66 post Ante 50.00
Dexterdeuc post Ante 50.00
blowfly34 post Ante 50.00
Merkland. post Ante 50.00
XRicayBoyX post Ante 50.00
Merkland. post SB 300.00
XRicayBoyX post BB 600.00
** Deal **
DBOOT [N/A, N/A]
Y0rkie74 [N/A, N/A]
DodgerAPAT [, ]
beezleboss [N/A, N/A]
theD0NKEY [N/A, N/A]
19ant66 [N/A, N/A]
Dexterdeuc [N/A, N/A]
blowfly34 [N/A, N/A]
Merkland. [N/A, N/A]
XRicayBoyX [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
DBOOT Fold
Y0rkie74 All-in 5254.00
DodgerAPAT All-in 5426.00
beezleboss Fold
theD0NKEY Fold
19ant66 Fold
Dexterdeuc Fold
blowfly34 Fold
Merkland. Fold
XRicayBoyX Fold
*** Flop(Board): *** : [, , ]
*** Turn(Board): *** : [, , , ]
*** River(Board): *** : [, , , , ]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 11908.00
Y0rkie74 [As, ] Highest card ace Win: 0.00
DodgerAPAT [, ] Highest card ace , king kicker Win: 11908.00
Hand ended: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:28:39 PM

[Yorkie74]

I dont have a problem with this just makes the abuse I received early on even more out of order when I only took 1,000 chips off him!!!

[nosey-p]

Sian, the abuse you received is out of order. The incident is being looked at. This is something that as upset me that a Yorkshire player would do this to anybody let alone a team mate. On behalf of Yorkshire I would like to apologize.        

[nosey-p]

Stephen, I must have been thinking of another hand that Yorkshire player"s tuck each other out. The one that you have posted it"s defiantly a call

I think in all, Yorkshire players tuck 4/5 team mates out on Sunday, this is due to that we are getting so many players going deep, this is a good thing. If we get 5 players every week in the op 20 then they will be occasions when we will be up against team mates. If big hands clash so be it, all I would say is not to run bluffs against team mates and be aware of their stack size. For the lucky top 3 players to win anything they will need the rest of the team"s help in getting team points.