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[clynd99]

What are peoples opinions on rebuy tournaments?
As the post header may suggest, I think they stink. I know Mr Tikay has been having a bit of a pop at them on the Poker Week show in recent times, and I agree with what he has said about them, but from more of a play perspective rather than an organizational one, I have never played in a rebuy tourney where I"ve actually enjoyed or been impressed with the play.
Okay, "stay away from them then," you might say, but it"s not that easy is it? They"re everywhere. With my work situation the times I can get to the local casino is quite restricted, and it always seems like when I get a free afternoon or night it"s a £5 cowing rebuy, and I always end up going anyway, thinking the live experience will do me good, but I"m wrong aren"t I? The experience I get live in a £5 rebuy is not the same as what a live freezeout tourney is, is it, because the play is so different.
Which brings me onto Blue Square. I signed up to the site when I signed up to APAT, and have played on there very little. Looking around the lobby on occassions over the past few weeks I"m noticing that nearly every tourney is a rebuy contest. (Sure, you can filter them out at the loss of most of the lobby"s content).
To top it all I recently had a email from them pointing out the GUKPT satellites on the site and decided to chance my arm in one of the freerolls. I went broke early on when my full house was beaten by a bigger house and to my suprise an option came up saying "REBUY $0.25". What is the point of that? It"s not even a freeroll anymore. What do the site get out of rebuy tourneys? Why do they insist on running so many of them? Why is every GUKPT satellite a rebuy, why cant they mix it up a bit and give their members the choice of dodging these crapshoots?

[tumblet]

tbh i play rebuy tourneys the same as i would a freezout, if i bust out then i bust out, but IMO you have a very good chance to build up a good chip stack by beating the players who go in with marginal hands.

gukpt: yes these freerolls have gone to rebuys. The reason for this is think is that probably bsq are  putting on so many freerolls to the gukpt, magazine freerolls, daily freerolls etc etc, that the odd 25c here and there go towards paying for some of these freerolls, the point being is they are still offering you the chance to get to a gukpt final for nothing if you make it, nothing to complain about in my opinion.

Rebuy tournaments are very popular, you only need to see the numbers that play them, what they give the site i dont know, but I know they offer the players a chance at winning for 1 buy in, giving you the decision if you want to pay more.

I am not a fan of the rebuy tournaments, but can see why they are there..

[AMRN]

I hate them with a passion.... they are not poker when compared to a decent Freezout with a proper stack. But still, I play them. I tend to limit myself to two buy ins, or if have not rebought, then will add on.

The standard high street casino weekday rebuy competition give you a starting stack of 1000 chips and blinds of 25/50, and 20 minute blind levels. So, you start with only 20 BBs, and are almost pot committed with only a standard raise. Then, if you rebuy in level 2 (50/100) you are buying into AllIn/Fold territory (less than 10 BBs). 

Stupid, and not poker.

[Mikeyboy9361]

I hate them as well, and try and avoid them like the plague. I recently entered a Freeroll on BSQ, to the GUKPT. Qualified for a place in the buy in later the same day I was really looking forward to it and started playing, but quickly thought what the hell is going on these guys are crazy, playing ridiculous hands. It didn"t take me long to then realise it was a rebuy! I played pretty well and got about half way when I crashed out, but made the decision not to re buy.... thats my position now, I won"t play them unless I qualify and then don"t re buy.

[jacklevel06]

re buys are pi#s the only let bad players get lucky.Just my type of game. lol

[clynd99]

A freeroll satellite to a rebuy tourney........
I know we"re probably supposed to be nice to the Blue Sq people, but some of them clearly need shoeing.

[tumblet]

A freeroll satellite to a rebuy tourney........
I know we"re probably supposed to be nice to the Blue Sq people, but some of them clearly need shoeing.

I just dont understand what the problem is, and im not on the bsq bandwagon because I hate ipoker, but they are giving you the chance to play a £1100 tournament and qualify for as many as you want for nothing, 3 times a day 7 days a week.. not bad imo.

[Jon MW]

The Blue Square  Freeroll/rebuy satellites are a bargain, but...

more generally I"d have to go with the consensus that rebuys just promote bad poker. They may be popular but I"d suggest that is because most people who play poker don"t really know what they are doing and are just gambling (remember that"s an awful lot of people, who never read poker books or poker forums or do any kind of analysis)  - just because something is popular, doesn"t make it good.

It"s because of this reason that the live venues offer so many rebuys, I think I"ve seen one casino at least who didn"t offer any freezeouts in their standard weekly schedule and one of my local poker clubs only has the one - and that"s their league tournament.

[biffa85]

I used to have the same opinion regarding re buys.  But as long as you enter them with your eyes open you can use the rebuy period to your advantage.  Also to consistantly do well you need to use judgement on whether to rebuy, but not to discount rebuying.  Typically anything up to 3-5 rebuys including addons.

So don"t think of as a 5$ rebuy the same as a $5 freezeout, more like a $15-20 freezeout, but with weaker opposition, and the payout can be much higher than even a $15-20 freezeout.

Yes they can be VERY frustrating, but a field of weak fish over playing their hands - what more do you want??

[tumblet]

I used to have the same opinion regarding re buys.  But as long as you enter them with your eyes open you can use the rebuy period to your advantage.  Also to consistantly do well you need to use judgement on whether to rebuy, but not to discount rebuying.  Typically anything up to 3-5 rebuys including addons.

So don"t think of as a 5$ rebuy the same as a $5 freezeout, more like a $15-20 freezeout, but with weaker opposition, and the payout can be much higher than even a $15-20 freezeout.

Yes they can be VERY frustrating, but a field of weak fish over playing their hands - what more do you want??

Great Post

[aciesielski]

£10/£20 rebuys are the only tournaments available without me having to travel to DTD in my area.

I do quite enjoy them as i just enjoy the live poker experience anyway, i do tend to steer clear of online rebuys as strangely i don"t enjoy them online.

[Jon MW]

I used to have the same opinion regarding re buys.  But as long as you enter them with your eyes open you can use the rebuy period to your advantage.  Also to consistantly do well you need to use judgement on whether to rebuy, but not to discount rebuying.  Typically anything up to 3-5 rebuys including addons.

So don"t think of as a 5$ rebuy the same as a $5 freezeout, more like a $15-20 freezeout, but with weaker opposition, and the payout can be much higher than even a $15-20 freezeout.

Yes they can be VERY frustrating, but a field of weak fish over playing their hands - what more do you want??

I don"t entirely agree.

I think that rebuy tournaments which limit the number of times you can rebuy do promote a different skill set in much the manner you are suggesting.

However, in unlimited rebuy tournaments you can do well by playing tightly and being a bit more intelligent about when you pick and choose the pots to play and the times you rebuy, but your best chance of success is to play like a maniac and get lucky - hence it promotes bad play.

That said, I am quite tempted to play the £2.50 rebuy at one of my local poker clubs just to see how  manic it can get

[biffa85]

I disagree, even with unlimited rebuys online once you are playing $5 or high intelligent play and picking your spots will work over the long haul.  Also if you have an even basic knowledge of pot odds you can do worse than to bite the bullet and aknowledge that it"s going to be frustrating (a bit like ohama high/low - which I love sooooo many fish)

Anything lower than this FORGET it, as you say too many bad players, playing really badly. 

Also live same applies maybe £5, but more likely need to be at least £10 rebuys.  I have to admit I"ve never entered a live rebuy tourney, so only an educated guess.  I do love the double chance tournies live though!

[GiMac]

You gotta love the poker purists, who hate rebuys!!!   lol

Listen guys it"s just another variant of poker, "it"s NLH Jim but not as the purists know it." It"s a completely different game to freezeout poker, PLH and limited rebuy poker.

Generally those who dont like rebuy tournaments or those who don"t like deep stack freezeouts, to give the flip side of the coin, are those that cannot change their game to adapt to the different format.

Me I love "em all.  

[GiMac]

p.s. of course what"s really good about rebuys is that it attracts the gamblers who are attracted to the percieved value of the tournaments and I got nothing against gambling fish wanting to play poker, it"s what we should all want.