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kinboshi

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Re: Cackness
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2008, 15:31:48 PM »
I changed the way I play rebuys after watching Chris Moorman (a young poker pro who ranks very highly in terms of tournament winnings in the UK) in action.

I play the $3 rebuys on Stars to sat in to the Sunday Million occasionally, and must say that there"s a way to play them to do well consistently.

To start with, you don"t look at it as a $3 tourney.  Look at it instead as a $30 tourney.  From the start, play like a donk.  Shove in with pretty much any two cards, best done on the flop.   You"ll win a few pots uncontested usually, but someone will call you.  You will lose (or outdraw them, which is amusing).

Anyway, repeat that a few times, and then you have a table that is full of chips, full of players on tilt (who are treating it as a freezeout or have limited rebuys in mind), and you will eventually get a big hand and double up.  Then you can bully the shorter stacks throughout the rebuy period.

At the end of the rebuy, you will have a decent stack (hopefully, or course it doesn"t always work), and it"s probably cost about 10 rebuys, if not more. 

Then you start playing poker.  The others at the table won"t recognise this and some seem to forget that the rebuy period is over.  Hopefully, you can mop up the chips at your table and then you have an advantage over the players on other tables.

I"ve seen other players do it, and not only is it effective - it"s also jolly good fun!

It does mean that those with the bigger pockets for a rebuy are at a distinct advantage.  Playing a rebuy scared (in terms of limited buy-ins) is not the way I"d suggest they"re played.  To get the most out of them long-term, I"d recommend playing in rebuys that you can afford to reload 10 times (if not more).

If there are so many bad players in rebuys (as Gordon mentioned), then surely there must be a way to beat them?
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Re: Cackness
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2008, 16:44:03 PM »

...  From the start, play like a donk.  Shove in with pretty much any two cards, best done on the flop.   You"ll win a few pots uncontested usually, but someone will call you.  You will lose (or outdraw them, which is amusing).

Anyway, repeat that a few times, and then you have a table that is full of chips, full of players on tilt (who are treating it as a freezeout or have limited rebuys in mind), and you will eventually get a big hand and double up.  ...


This is precisely what I mean.

The elements of play after this point - such as taking advantage of those who don"t stop playing like it"s a rebuy even when they"re in the freezeout part - remain the same however you play the rebuy part.

Therefore the difference is the rebuy period and the best (as in most likely to get you a win) way to play them promotes bad play.

Ergo - rebuys are bad. QED (or more precisely QEF - but you"d probably have to look that up)
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Re: Cackness
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2008, 17:10:58 PM »


...  From the start, play like a donk.  Shove in with pretty much any two cards, best done on the flop.   You"ll win a few pots uncontested usually, but someone will call you.  You will lose (or outdraw them, which is amusing).

Anyway, repeat that a few times, and then you have a table that is full of chips, full of players on tilt (who are treating it as a freezeout or have limited rebuys in mind), and you will eventually get a big hand and double up.  ...


This is precisely what I mean.

The elements of play after this point - such as taking advantage of those who don"t stop playing like it"s a rebuy even when they"re in the freezeout part - remain the same however you play the rebuy part.

Therefore the difference is the rebuy period and the best (as in most likely to get you a win) way to play them promotes bad play.

Ergo - rebuys are bad. QED (or more precisely QEF - but you"d probably have to look that up)


No, it promotes "different" play.  Same as when you"re short-stacked.
and have to shove with pretty much ATC.  You wouldn"t do that at the start of a deepstack FO, but you might towards the end as the blinds rocket and your stack plummets.  Doesn"t mean it"s "bad" play.

QED, QEF..... GFY.
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Re: Cackness
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2008, 17:14:58 PM »

...

QED, QEF..... GFY.


:D I can"t top that :D
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Re: Cackness
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2008, 16:43:03 PM »



...  From the start, play like a donk.  Shove in with pretty much any two cards, best done on the flop.   You"ll win a few pots uncontested usually, but someone will call you.  You will lose (or outdraw them, which is amusing).

Anyway, repeat that a few times, and then you have a table that is full of chips, full of players on tilt (who are treating it as a freezeout or have limited rebuys in mind), and you will eventually get a big hand and double up.  ...


This is precisely what I mean.

The elements of play after this point - such as taking advantage of those who don"t stop playing like it"s a rebuy even when they"re in the freezeout part - remain the same however you play the rebuy part.

Therefore the difference is the rebuy period and the best (as in most likely to get you a win) way to play them promotes bad play.

Ergo - rebuys are bad. QED (or more precisely QEF - but you"d probably have to look that up)


No, it promotes "different" play.  Same as when you"re short-stacked.
and have to shove with pretty much ATC.  You wouldn"t do that at the start of a deepstack FO, but you might towards the end as the blinds rocket and your stack plummets.  Doesn"t mean it"s "bad" play.

QED, QEF..... GFY.


OMG, we agree again. This is getting bad. NHWPGTFLMFAOUYM!!!

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Re: Cackness
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2008, 20:32:29 PM »
Agree with GImac just adapt.

Agree with Dan too however it doesnt always go to plan! Sometimes u end up stuck 30 bucks with not much of a stack at the break!

Personally I dont play rebuy sattys cos they end up costing me- love the 3r on stars and 10r on blue square
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Re: Cackness
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2008, 11:26:03 AM »




...  From the start, play like a donk.  Shove in with pretty much any two cards, best done on the flop.   You"ll win a few pots uncontested usually, but someone will call you.  You will lose (or outdraw them, which is amusing).

Anyway, repeat that a few times, and then you have a table that is full of chips, full of players on tilt (who are treating it as a freezeout or have limited rebuys in mind), and you will eventually get a big hand and double up.  ...


This is precisely what I mean.

The elements of play after this point - such as taking advantage of those who don"t stop playing like it"s a rebuy even when they"re in the freezeout part - remain the same however you play the rebuy part.

Therefore the difference is the rebuy period and the best (as in most likely to get you a win) way to play them promotes bad play.

Ergo - rebuys are bad. QED (or more precisely QEF - but you"d probably have to look that up)


No, it promotes "different" play.  Same as when you"re short-stacked.
and have to shove with pretty much ATC.  You wouldn"t do that at the start of a deepstack FO, but you might towards the end as the blinds rocket and your stack plummets.  Doesn"t mean it"s "bad" play.

QED, QEF..... GFY.


OMG, we agree again. This is getting bad. NHWPGTFLMFAOUYM!!!


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Re: Cackness
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2008, 15:40:48 PM »
For all the poker purists bashing re-buys there"s one thing you"re forgetting. Once the re-buy period is over the freezeout period should give the advantage to "better" players because the stacks are deeper. Take the stars $3r for example after the hour long re-buy period, the starting level of the freezeout is 75/150 and the average stack is c.10,000. Even if you bust on the last hand of the re-buy you can double re-buy + add-on and have a 5k stack for a minimum M of 24. Not too shabby. Compare this to a $20 freezout (or indeed any gtd freezout on stars) where the avg stack at the end of the first hr is probably closer to 6,000. So now tell me which one requires more "skill" to win. Getting thru some of those huge fields in the stars re-buys is a massive task.

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Re: Cackness
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2008, 15:44:33 PM »

For all the poker purists bashing re-buys there"s one thing you"re forgetting. Once the re-buy period is over the freezeout period should give the advantage to "better" players because the stacks are deeper. Take the stars $3r for example after the hour long re-buy period, the starting level of the freezeout is 75/150 and the average stack is c.10,000. Even if you bust on the last hand of the re-buy you can double re-buy + add-on and have a 5k stack for a minimum M of 24. Not too shabby. Compare this to a $20 freezout (or indeed any gtd freezout on stars) where the avg stack at the end of the first hr is probably closer to 6,000. So now tell me which one requires more "skill" to win. Getting thru some of those huge fields in the stars re-buys is a massive task.


Great post...

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Re: Cackness
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2008, 17:15:29 PM »


For all the poker purists bashing re-buys there"s one thing you"re forgetting. Once the re-buy period is over the freezeout period should give the advantage to "better" players because the stacks are deeper. Take the stars $3r for example after the hour long re-buy period, the starting level of the freezeout is 75/150 and the average stack is c.10,000. Even if you bust on the last hand of the re-buy you can double re-buy + add-on and have a 5k stack for a minimum M of 24. Not too shabby. Compare this to a $20 freezout (or indeed any gtd freezout on stars) where the avg stack at the end of the first hr is probably closer to 6,000. So now tell me which one requires more "skill" to win. Getting thru some of those huge fields in the stars re-buys is a massive task.


Great post...


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i think people bashing rebuys are also paying rebuy buyins the same as their freezeout buyins and are blitzing big chunks of the bankroll in a total donk fest

Kin"s advice about playing rebuys with a buyin of a tenth of your freezeout buyin seems good advice

......tooo many "buys" in this post....

buy....i mean bye
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Re: Cackness
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2008, 17:42:26 PM »
By the way.

Went by Aspers in Newcastle last night for their £20 re-buy .

I had no-rebuys and just an add on and managed to chop heads up.  8)

Obviously I am a complete donkey, cos only lucky fish win rebuys, but hey ho I"ll take the cash thanks. Now what can I buy.  8) 8) 8)

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Re: Cackness
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2008, 19:22:20 PM »
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