Match Structure

[jbworldwide]

Just before we get into the emphatic yes...

can we just spare a thought for people like me who have to work the next day? I also have to stay up until the end of the tournament in order to get the results out. I cannot sustain 3am finishes because I need to function the next day but I also don"t want to have to give up my volunteered support for APAT either.

As much as I appreciate a good tournament, it does not need to go on until 3am as it is a series of tournaments and should cut down variance and good players should come to the top over the series. 12 min blinds & 5k starting stack is about 1.30am finish and is just as good imo.

Aside: Jon how many people are in your 5:1 ratio?

[teaulc]

Just before we get into the emphatic yes...

can we just spare a thought for people like me who have to work the next day? I also have to stay up until the end of the tournament in order to get the results out. I cannot sustain 3am finishes because I need to function the next day but I also don"t want to have to give up my volunteered support for APAT either.

As much as I appreciate a good tournament, it does not need to go on until 3am as it is a series of tournaments and should cut down variance and good players should come to the top over the series. 12 min blinds & 5k starting stack is about 1.30am finish and is just as good imo.

Aside: Jon how many people are in your 5:1 ratio?

6?  

[AJDUK]

Just before we get into the emphatic yes...

can we just spare a thought for people like me who have to work the next day? I also have to stay up until the end of the tournament in order to get the results out. I cannot sustain 3am finishes because I need to function the next day but I also don"t want to have to give up my volunteered support for APAT either.

As much as I appreciate a good tournament, it does not need to go on until 3am as it is a series of tournaments and should cut down variance and good players should come to the top over the series. 12 min blinds & 5k starting stack is about 1.30am finish and is just as good imo.

Aside: Jon how many people are in your 5:1 ratio?

Why do you need to stay up and watch it? The results are usually available for 24hrs or just leave the tournament window open on your pc. If you also open up the last few tables then you can look at all the hand histories you want the next day. With such late finishes I don"t think anyone"s going to complain if the official result isn"t available as soon as it"s finished!

[jbworldwide]

Just before we get into the emphatic yes...

can we just spare a thought for people like me who have to work the next day? I also have to stay up until the end of the tournament in order to get the results out. I cannot sustain 3am finishes because I need to function the next day but I also don"t want to have to give up my volunteered support for APAT either.

As much as I appreciate a good tournament, it does not need to go on until 3am as it is a series of tournaments and should cut down variance and good players should come to the top over the series. 12 min blinds & 5k starting stack is about 1.30am finish and is just as good imo.

Aside: Jon how many people are in your 5:1 ratio?

Why do you need to stay up and watch it? The results are usually available for 24hrs or just leave the tournament window open on your pc. If you also open up the last few tables then you can look at all the hand histories you want the next day. With such late finishes I don"t think anyone"s going to complain if the official result isn"t available as soon as it"s finished!

Yep we can do that but there is a desire to have a "match report" from each leg to be used in promoting the league further and giving further opportunity of exposure for Stars

[WYoung83]

 Your line doesnt make sense JB. Stars need any more exposure? Yeah right, most people (i would take a bet on about 90%) playing in this league would have a stars account already.

And why is there a desire to promote the league even more. We just got 547 runners baby........ and anyway, isint this is a bit contradicting then. If if gets promoted even more, then we get more runners so the finishing time will be even later?

[Jon MW]

Just before we get into the emphatic yes...

can we just spare a thought for people like me who have to work the next day? I also have to stay up until the end of the tournament in order to get the results out. I cannot sustain 3am finishes because I need to function the next day but I also don"t want to have to give up my volunteered support for APAT either.

As much as I appreciate a good tournament, it does not need to go on until 3am as it is a series of tournaments and should cut down variance and good players should come to the top over the series. 12 min blinds & 5k starting stack is about 1.30am finish and is just as good imo.

Aside: Jon how many people are in your 5:1 ratio?

Oh yeah, completely irrelevant sample size - but the total sum of anyone expressing an opinion on any thread is trivial compared to the total number of players, just thought it was worth emphasising that the subset of those in a more "influential" position such as yourself are an even smaller group of opinions and a feel for how one-sided an argument is can easily get lost over the course of an extended debate such as this one.

And even though the team captains et al might feel like it is their "duty" to stay up until the end of the tournament (but they don"t want to stay up til 3am) - it isn"t necessary for them to do so.

Plus it"s already been mentioned that even with this structure - the league numbers will fall, so the end time will get earlier by itself.


NB: "can we just spare a thought for people like me who have to work the next day?" - I"m pretty sure the vast majority of APAT players have to work the next day.

[deanp27]

Yeah gonna struggle to play these on a regular basis with that finishing time, great tournament that it is.
Probably a couple of early levels are a bit unnecessary with 5k starting (ie 10/20) but can understand why you wouldn"t want to change it.

I stopped playing Sundays for quite a while due to field sizes and late nights when I am usually stacked at work on a Monday.

Will try and support it as much as I can though

[AMRN]

As much as I appreciate a good tournament, it does not need to go on until 3am as it is a series of tournaments and should cut down variance and good players should come to the top over the series. 12 min blinds & 5k starting stack is about 1.30am finish and is just as good imo.

^^This

For the weekly $11 online league, an 8 hour tournament feels like a bit of overkill.   imo 3k/15 might be more appropriate (same as the Big 55).

[Curlarge]

If the blinds were reduced to 12 mins the timings would be thus:- (last weeks comparible times  in brackets)

19.00-19.12    10/20                (19.00-19.15)
19.12-19.24    15/30                (19.15-19.30)
19.24-19.36    25/50                (19.30-19.45)
19.36-19.48    50/100              (19.45-20.05)
19.48-20.05    75/150              (20.05-20.20)
20.05-20.17    100/200            (20.20-20.35)
20.17-20.29    125/250/25        (20.35-20.50)
20.41-20.53    150/300/25        (20.50-21.10)
20.53-21.10    200/400/50        (21.10-21.25)
21.10-21.22    300/600/50        (21.25-21.40)
21.22-21.34    400/800/75        (21.40-21.55)
21.34-21.46    500/1000/100     (22.00-22.15)
21.46-22.03    600/1200/125     (22.15-22.30)
22.03-22.15    800/1600/150     (22.30-22.45)
22.15-22.27    1k/2k/200          (22.45-23.05)
22.27-22.39    1250/2500/250   (23.05-23.20)
22.39-22.51    1.5k/3k/300       (23.20-23.35)
22.51-23.08    2k/4k/400          (23.35-23.50)
23.08-23.20    2.5k/5k/500       (23.50-00.10)
23.20-23.32    3k/6k/600          (00.10-00.25)
23.32-23.44    3.5k/7k/700       (00.25-00.40)
23.44-00.01    4k/8k/800         (00.40-01.00)

[jbworldwide]

Your line doesnt make sense JB. Stars need any more exposure? Yeah right, most people (i would take a bet on about 90%) playing in this league would have a stars account already.

And why is there a desire to promote the league even more. We just got 547 runners baby........ and anyway, isint this is a bit contradicting then. If if gets promoted even more, then we get more runners so the finishing time will be even later?

Well not really, Stars didn"t partner with APAT to lose money, they did it to increase exposure and as a form of promotion to get more players playing on the site, which they have achieved and of course they would always want to see more.

[Jon MW]

Summary of negative points regarding structure in this thread


samson
Played too slow for me, only thing that hapened on my tables was fold fold fold fold etc until there was a cooler or a beat.

Brendoni
maybe a 5PM start time . or less chips/faster blind structure

smasher37
i do agree with the comments about the very late finish.

deanp27
Yeah gonna struggle to play these on a regular basis with that finishing time, great tournament that it is.

AMRN
For the weekly $11 online league, an 8 hour tournament feels like a bit of overkill.

[Jon MW]

Summary of positive points regarding structure in this thread


WYoung83
Wish it was on every night and not every week. good structure. plzzzz dont change it when the inevitable people start having a whinge about finishing time etc.

Swinebag22
+1

Sharplea
+2

xxxMairxxx
Fantastic turnout and brilliant structure

WH1TEHORSE
+1 from me!! It was great to be able to still play proper poker on the final table and glad it wasnt just an all in fest.

Honeybadge
Amazing scope to play "every" hand in (or out of) position

Brendoni
Really good structured game

WYoung83
I hope they dont alter the clock or starting stack either because it was perfect.

Jon MW
once the numbers fall it will towards a 2am finish anyway without touching this structure.

Honeybadge
I could live with 12 min levels - would have made the event 90 mins shortly last night - but on balance it would have lost the depth of play possible.

Great work APAT in creating such a structure.

Thinsy147
I think its perfect. Like mentioned above, no one will reach every final table so its not a case of playing until 3am every week

Santino67
Don"t mess with the structure, why would you after such an emphatic "Yesssss" from the faithful?

Joker161
+1 for no changes. As many have said, you will not make it past midnight many times, especially if the numbers drop off. The structure gave us the chance to play proper poker.

[Jon MW]

... I cannot understand how people think that an 8 hr format suits such a small field. ...

A similar comment has been made about the $10 buy in

But I would have thought it would be the same logic that suggests a live 2 day deep stack tournament for £75 buy in is a good idea

People seemed happy to accept this structure when it was suggested it might get 250 runners and end at half two - it"s clearly a quicker structure than was expected there as 547 runners finished before half 3. So why does that then make it the wrong structure?

Does it mean that if the first game of the next league attracts even more runners - the structure gets cut again?
And if the first league game of next season attracts even more - 5 minute blinds?

Shouldn"t the structure be in place because it"s a good structure? And if that attracts enough people to make it a very late finish - then that means people like playing a good structure?

[WYoung83]

Its already been put back 1 hour. It was supposed to start at 8 when season was first announced. And Web1, how can you say the format suits weaker players? Its the exact opposite actually. Fact- good players prefer deep structure less variance etc.

Lets see numbers this comming sunday, i have a feeling it will be quite high again.

[Logie66]

Can we start at 1pm Wk 3 & 4, I"m in Sri Lanka 5 and a half hours ahead, 8am sunny and 77 degrees at the mo