QQ in BB

[TheSnapper]

Thanks Brendan was hoping you"d post something like that.. presuming this is heads up? What about a 3-way pot?

Be interesting to see Dave"s read and how it played out anyway.. I"ve still got a bad feeling x

Even 3 way we still need to bet the flop for value.

Sometimes you get it in bad but it was still the right thing to do. Even maniac fish flop sets sometimes.

[PHIL_TC]

By nature, I don"t think this would be posted if David had bet the flop and all folded.

I play poker most weeks with Dave... this might be a cunningly disguised blatent "I bet on the flop and they all folded" brag.. but I suspect not  

Even 3 way we still need to bet the flop for value.

So if we"re typically 62% fav against 1 player, how are we fairing against 2 players?... got to be close?

[AMRN]

We are in bad shape versus...

44,66,77          
sets       9   combo's
76            
two pair   3   combo's

6% of that limping range.

.....and all the hh hands?

[TheSnapper]

We are in bad shape versus...

44,66,77          
sets       9   combo's
76            
two pair   3   combo's

6% of that limping range.

.....and all the hh hands? Heart Heart

[pokerpops]

By nature, I don"t think this would be posted if David had bet the flop and all folded.

Thanks Brendan, you have put what I was trying to say much more eloquently than I could. Although my excuse is that I am at work on my iPhone.

How very perceptive that first sentence is, and the post from TheSnapper (Brendan?) really sums up why we should bet for value on this flop.

I had a brainfart moment in play and mangled the whole thing. But I want a few more opinions on the whole preflop raise size and best line postflop before I confess.

Suffice to say that it did end badly as is implied in my diary post.

[AMRN]

We are in bad shape versus...

44,66,77          
sets       9   combo's
76            
two pair   3   combo's

6% of that limping range.

.....and all the hh hands? Heart Heart

Exactly. You said we were in bad shape vs sets and 2 pair combos - 6% of the range. Why didn"t you include heart heart hands in the range against which we are in bad shape?

[TheSnapper]

Even 3 way we still need to bet the flop for value.

So if we"re typically 62% fav against 1 player, how are we fairing against 2 players?... got to be close?

Assuming they both flat our flop bet with similar ranges for both oppo"s and including some off suit connectors in one of the two calling ranges.

Board:

   equity          
Hand 0:    41.093%     { QQ }
Hand 1:    29.910%    { TT-22, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th9h, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s }
Hand 2:    28.997%     { TT-22, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th9h, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o, 43o }

[TheSnapper]

Exactly. You said we were in bad shape vs sets and 2 pair combos - 6% of the range. Why didn"t you include heart heart hands in the range against which we are in bad shape?

We are ahead of flush draws so I have categorised those as hands against which we should bet for value.

[PHIL_TC]

Hand 0:    41.093%     { QQ }
Hand 1:    29.910%    { TT-22, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th9h, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s }
Hand 2:    28.997%     { TT-22, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th9h, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o, 43o }

Cheers Brendan, really appreciated

[George2Loose]

Ur image?

[AMRN]

Exactly. You said we were in bad shape vs sets and 2 pair combos - 6% of the range. Why didn"t you include heart heart hands in the range against which we are in bad shape?

We are ahead of flush draws so I have categorised those as hands against which we should bet for value.

I"ve read the OP as saying the board is flushed - all hearts...  "764hh"

[TheSnapper]

I"ve read the OP as saying the board is flushed - all hearts...  "764hh"

You could be right but I understood it to mean 764 two of which were hearts. The suits for QQ would help too, if we hold the it adds about 2% to our equity versus flush draws.

[deanp27]

It means 2 hearts on the flop. 3 hearts would be hhh

[Swinebag]

In multilimped pots - I normally make my standard raise then add a BB for every limper in the pot, so here I open to 1500-1700. Anything less than 1500 prices in the first limper.

Brendan pretty much sums up why we bet the flop. I"m also pretty happy to play for stacks here, as most players who limp call tend to overplay a lot of hands that you beat here. Dean"s point about folding to the lady in SB is valid but I probably still get them in here

[PHIL_TC]

I"ve read the OP as saying the board is flushed - all hearts...  "764hh"

+1

So come on then Dave.. do I need a 50p ready for Thursday night? x