APAT online

[StuartHopkin]

Gonna keep this short and sweet.

Online.
Too many games in my opinion, and Saturday nights arent for sitting in front of the computer. Plus i really fell the rankings being updated would help. I have 27 points so far this season. Am i at the top, am i in with a chance of catchin the leaders or am i at the bottom of the pile. If i knew i was in with a chance i would be playing every online event to the best of my ability.

Regional.
Perfect.

National.
Perfect.

As for the bank holiday/travelling debate, i realise they were waiting for the confirmation from the venue but i dont think it matters which weekend it is, if your flying somewhere you need to know months as early as possible.

When the flights to vienna first went on sale they were £38 return including taxes.

Now the flights are £160 it makes no sense. You have to come top 3 to make a profit. I know lots of you will still go for the excting trip away, but i just cant see the value in it.

Instead of paying £300 to get to and play in vienna, ill use the £300 to bu into the deepstack at DTD on the 1st unless something comes up.

Same money leaves my pocket, same 2 day comp with slow blinds but i have a £13,500 1st prize to try and win!

[Jon MW]

The rankings are up to date to the 20th January

- although that does remind to do something Des has suggested

[StuartHopkin]

Thanks Jon

I hadnt noticed, apologies.

But it does prove my point! Seeing where i am on the rankings i really need to be playing every online event very seriously!

[Jon MW]

Thanks Jon

I hadnt noticed, apologies.

But it does prove my point! Seeing where i am on the rankings i really need to be playing every online event very seriously!

No worries.

What Des actually pointed out to me was that when you amend a post - like I do when I update the rankings - it doesn"t show up as a new post, so it was quite likely that some people won"t notice it.

The rankings at the top of the post show when it has been updated to, and the last  amended date generally shows when that update was done.

And surely you play every event seriously, or do you sometimes deliberately lose?

[StuartHopkin]

Unfortunately not Jon! Maybe seriously isnt the right word.

More a case of the smaller the buy in/prizes the less i concentrate, and i get involved in pots i shouldnt.

[George2Loose]

Stu makes an exellent point. As much as Vienna would be nice I"d rather spend the additional money on prize entry than accomadation and flights.

[Ironside]

guys what some people are experiancing with vienna is what faced me every national last year not enough notice therefore flights gone up in price

i would of loved to played all the live events this year but i would rather play events where i can make a profit with a FT apearance

apart from luton last year i dont think i took any event serious

this season with only 3 weeks from the click fest till the day of the event it wasnt worth me playing the nationals i could save £200 by booking in advance to EMA use that £200 and the £75 it costs to enter the comp and pay my way into the £300 comp with a chance of winning some real money

if we had more notice then it would make it more viable to play the nationals but the way the season is structured makes it impossible

[WarBwastardo]

guys what some people are experiancing with vienna is what faced me every national last year not enough notice therefore flights gone up in price

i would of loved to played all the live events this year but i would rather play events where i can make a profit with a FT apearance

apart from luton last year i dont think i took any event serious

this season with only 3 weeks from the click fest till the day of the event it wasnt worth me playing the nationals i could save £200 by booking in advance to EMA use that £200 and the £75 it costs to enter the comp and pay my way into the £300 comp with a chance of winning some real money

if we had more notice then it would make it more viable to play the nationals but the way the season is structured makes it impossible

Perhaps if you people had put up a better fight at Culloden all the Casino"s would be in Scotland.  Only joking, but it"s not quite the same though is it as you at least knew where the National events were to be held from the beginning of the season.  I do think 3-4 weeks notice is a decent enough period of time to make arrangements for the national events. 

If you happen to be unfortunate enough to live in an area that"s miles from any of the proposed casino"s that"s just something you have to accept or as you say, save the money and play a higher buy-in tourney that allows you all the time in the world to make travel arrangements.

[Ironside]

by giving 5-6 weeks notice for all events not just apat it can only help the players

cheaper travel, cheaper hotels, and time to book time off work


just a little bug bear of mine people thinking 3-4 weeks is enough notice IT ISNT UNLESS YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE CENTRAL

[nosey-p]

This post was set up to talk about how to improve the game especially online

I believe there is a post on Vienna in the National Championship section

[evilpie]

One additional thing to remember, that nobody has factoring into this discussion so far.  The APAT tour is the product that creates the sponsorship which enables all of these events to happen financially.  It is not always possible to get absolutely everything we would want, but that will not stop us trying.  Bottom line though, is that both members and sponsors have to be factored into our thinking.

I understand that it"s the APAT tour which generates sponsorship but isn"t the online series supposed to be a part of that tour? Please correct me if I"m wrong but I suspect I"m right. If it isn"t considered part of the tour (by the APAT team themselves) then scrap it. If it is then make it a serious part of the tour.

If the online tournaments were the same value and prestige as the regionals / nationals do you think that maybe it might result in more sponsorship from BlSq / Grosvenor?

I suspect that with the increased buy in you would get more players entering this tournament and not just the current APAT players. It would create a buzz amongst players every time the big event was coming round and I suspect could potentially become one of the biggest tournaments on the BlSq site. Whos knows, they might even start advertising it!!

This would result in more players becoming interested in APAT and hopefully wanting to play on the tour. This makes the tour bigger and hence the sponsors are happy. Everyone"s a winner. (Unless it all goes horribly wrong   )

I know that APAT is an amateur association but that doesn"t mean that it has to be cheap. I think that it has been seriously undervalued online this season and needs to do some real work to become a tour that is well recognised amongst poker players (in the same way as the live tour is)

[APAT]

The APAT tour embodies all of our events and what you view as cheap, may be expensive to others.  The online series games were $20 + $2 in season one for one game every two weeks.  In Season Two we retained the same level of buy per every two weeks, but we effectively now run two games during that period.  The focus in developing S2 was live; where a great deal of development has taken place, while keeping the online series relatively risk free.

For Season Three the online proposition will gain a greater focus and offer Championship events at a higher level of buy in, while retaining an entry level offering also.  I believe those who are unhappy with the current online series schedule will be very pleased when we roll out Season Three.  However, we are not willing to alienate beginners in doing this.  Bottom line is the range of online events will be wider and much more prestigious, while I expect the overall number of events to drop.

I would welcome further feedback on the rankings and points allocation.  I"m still of the opinion that winning an APAT two day live event - from a cost, physical and overall skill point of view - is a far greater achievement than winning our most prestigious online event (whatever that might become).

[HaworthBantam]

........I"m still of the opinion that winning an APAT two day live event - from a cost, physical and overall skill point of view - is a far greater achievement than winning our most prestigious online event (whatever that might become).

Absolutely.

The number of live events that count to your end of season points total is capped, maybe a similar scenario for the online games should be introduced - without knowing the ideas for season 3, in depth, it"s a little difficult to come up with a structured proposal.

Maybe a two tiered system, as we effectively have with the current National and Regional live events - a low cost online game for which points are offered to the top  9 finishers, plus an automatic entry into a higher cost online game where points are offered down to 18th ? This does go against the idea that the live National carries more prestige (and quite rightly), but it is just an idea.

Or maybe points for the top 4 finishers in the lower cost online event, and top 9 in the higher cost online event. And then cap the number that can count towards the championship to double that of the live events.

I"ll stop rambling now.....

[StuartHopkin]

Yeah Evilpie, just because you have enough euros for a bottle of shamen juice doesnt mean everyone does!  

[nosey-p]

I see your point about the points for the 2 day game and although I have in the past said that they should be the same, but on reflection you are probably right. I don't think that the regional games should not be included in the overall rankings as I have previously said.