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AAroddersAA

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What would You Do ??????
« on: May 01, 2012, 20:42:21 PM »
What WOULD you do???

50p/£1 live game at a local Aspers casino, game is a standard UK live cash game 10 handed. It is playing loose/passive only one player has shown any type of aggression, he has raised a few times and bet out on a few flops but seems aware of players and is not bluffing the calling stations, the one pot he played against you he c-bet a raggy flop strongly and you folded your small pair. He has also just stacked a player when he made trips on the flop (A-A-9 rainbow board). Your image is pretty tight, you have raised a few hands but had to give up when you missed the flop. You did get KK and won a decent pot (three streets of value) from a player who called you down with TT (he has since left).

There are two early position limper"s (unlikely to be trapping) and then a raise to £7, from the more aggressive player. A call (from a passive player who calls a lot) and you are in the SB.

You have AdKd, if you call it is a very good bet the limpers will also call. They MAY fold to a raise.

You are playing £150, the OR covers you and the passive player is playing £60. Both limpers have about £100.

What do you do ????

WELL WHAT ?? :-)

*I will post the next part of this hand tomorrow but would like to get an idea of thinking at each stage of the hand.
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 21:02:54 PM »
pop it to £28-£30 planning to never fold versus passive guy.
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 21:04:28 PM »
Don"t want 4/5 way action here OOP, though it appears you"re probably getting at least 2 callers with most raises. TBH it"s a 3 bet anyway, probably anywhere between £24-28.
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 21:24:58 PM »
£30 for me - no need to use anything other than the red chips
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 10:23:19 AM »

pop it to £28-£30 planning to never fold versus passive guy.


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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 11:16:06 AM »

£30 for me - no need to use anything other than the red chips


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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 16:11:20 PM »
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would like to get an idea of thinking at each stage of the hand.


based on what i would of seen if i was at the table, thinking wise i"d be thinking about - what is the agg opp isolating with [what range] and how i think he will react to various 3bet sizes, what will he fold/call/4bet... same with the short LP stack opp, will he spew :) just call for example... what/how will or will they perceive your range to be... how do they play on the flop, you will whiff a lot of flops so what flop textures will u cbet/check/check fold, how will they react [mainly the agg opp] to a turn barrel, if firing multiple barrels with no hand, you"re obviously relying on fold equity [guesstimation wise how much will u have on various board textures based on how u"ve seen him play]..... and so on etc etc

being oop stinks, its hard to make money :)
if the agg opp is isolating with good hands i met be tempted to 3bet to say £20, if the agg opp flats and the LP calls, EV wise there is a good chance u keep a lot of AX KX hands in there range and u can get 1or 2streets of value out of the larger stack maybe... if say it ends up 4way u will still have good equity..
u will be in a tricky spot if the agg opp flats the 3bet and the LP opp jams, u"ll have to use your gut feel/reads to figure out what to do then - 5bet isolate or call the 4bet or god forbid contemplate a fold? :)
if say 1 limper or the BB for instance etc calls u met manipulate with your 3bet sizing the agg opp to play his big hands straight forward and sick/spewy as it sounds be able to fold..
use bigger 3bet sizing if u think u can isolate the LP short stack a lot, be it him only calling or jamming...

in a nut shell think ahead, not only i have a good hand i"ll re-raise.... have a plan :)
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 17:15:20 PM »
No one thinking of just flatting here? You are OOP, and you can really disguise your hand if you flop well, and get away cheaply if you don"t. Not saying it is the optimum play, but personally speaking these casino cash games can be very difficult to read, and I for one try and be unpredictable when I get the chance to play "em.
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 18:42:16 PM »

in a nut shell think ahead, not only i have a good hand i"ll re-raise.... have a plan :)

And in this spot, that plan is???

Will post my own thoughts later as hopefully will get some more replies, but as ever the responses here are very good. I wonder what will happen? I bet we end up getting stacked by a set, I hate it when that happens :-)
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 19:39:34 PM »
sorry . i will reply in less than 5 words next time :)

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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 19:45:38 PM »
sorry . i will reply in less than 5 words next time :)

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would like to get an idea of thinking at each stage of the hand.

i thought u wanted to know the above...


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And in this spot, that plan is???


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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 19:58:06 PM »

sorry . i will reply in less than 5 words next time :)

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would like to get an idea of thinking at each stage of the hand.

i thought u wanted to know the above...

*lol*

Yeah OK you have a point, I also wanted to know what you would actually do as well though though. I will work on making my posts clearer maybe I will add more words :-)

Can you run one of those clever odd calculations on the chances of you actually replying to a post in less than 5 words??? (Not that I am advocating doing it though)
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 20:16:24 PM »
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Yeah OK you have a point, I also wanted to know what you would actually do as well though though. I will work on making my posts clearer maybe I will add more words :-)


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if the agg opp is isolating with good hands i met be tempted to 3bet to say £20, if the agg opp flats and the LP calls, EV wise there is a good chance u keep a lot of AX KX hands in there range and u can get 1or 2streets of value out of the larger stack maybe... if say it ends up 4way u will still have good equity..

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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2012, 17:42:16 PM »
Thought I had updated this thread yesterday, did the post get deleted for taking the mick out of Noble (I am very sorry) :-)

Anyway we decided the 3-bet to £27 and both limper"s folded (bonus).

A flop then arrived of 2s-4c-Td

We have £123 behind with 57 in the middle. It is us to speak so what shall we do?
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Re: What would You Do ??????
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2012, 17:54:13 PM »

Thought I had updated this thread yesterday, did the post get deleted for taking the mick out of Noble (I am very sorry) :-)

Anyway we decided the 3-bet to £27 and both limper"s folded (bonus).

A flop then arrived of 2s-4c-Td

We have £123 behind with 57 in the middle. It is us to speak so what shall we do?


ugghhh what an ugly spot. oop versus two villains. Its good that the shorty has position on the OR so I like leading for £35 folding if raised.
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