The River (or...They always get there)

[Scousebill]

I know this has probably been talked about before but....

Do you find much more players seem to stay in until the river and tend to hit it....

I was playing a 4max comp today and the amount of "come from behind wins" seemed ridiculous..

I suppose it is likely to be the low stakes - $4 entry that encourages players to stay in longer.

Do people who play higher stakes games $50+ see the same trends or do players tend to play properly?

[deanp27]

Happens all the time. Stars is obviously to blame, as proven by their marquee pro winning 2 SCOOP events.


Its hard to put a serious response but I can assure you that there are bad players at all levels and getting rivered is certainly not uncommon, whatever site you play on or whether you play live

[Scousebill]

This post isn"t just solely about me getting rivered but the view that a lot of hands I have seen have been won on the River lately..

Obviously for me personally I need to bet heavier before the River to try to get them out of the hand...

[AMRN]

Obviously for me personally I need to bet heavier before the River to try to get them out of the hand...

if you"re ahead, why do you want to get them out of the hand?  So long as you are charging the wrong price for them to chase their draws, then let them play badly - variance says they will get there once in a while, but that"s just poker.

[PHIL_TC]

I was playing on Stars last night and witnessed a proper blowup by some guy from Switzerland kicking off for a good 5 minutes saying the site was rigged and that "always the same get good cards then when near the money nothing etc" "the only winners are the PokerStars mafia" etc.. needless to say he was losing.

Then when he got knocked out of the tourny went on an another massive capital letter style rant to the guy who had knocked him out which went on for another good 5 mins... at the end of the guy who knocked him out just replied with "gg"...  

Always the same Bill... you always remember the times you get rivered or 1, 2 outed etc... but never remember the times when you get lucky yourself or river someone else, all swings and roundabouts mate x

[Sef]

well recently I have been getting turned/rivered constantly with 2 and 3 outers so I decided to start counting the wins/losses with them when all in pre.... last 19 times it"s been in pre with AA v 88 or such PP hands I have held up once....... last 13 times when it"s been AK/AQ v AJ/KQ type hands i have held up twice. So 2 outered 18/19 times and 3 outered 11/13 now although I"m sure we would all agree that it"s not much of a sample size it"s sickening nonetheless. This is all on pokerstars aswell so take from it what you will  

[mporter123]

last 19 times it"s been in pre with AA v 88 or such PP hands I have held up once....... last 13 times when it"s been AK/AQ v AJ/KQ type hands i have held up twice.

Screenshot?

[Sef]

Didn"t bother with screenshots as I just kept count for my own wonderment.

[Santino67]

I"ve only been reg"d with Stars since week 1 of the online league and have to say I"m already sick sick sick, despite finishing 4th in the 1st online league. I don"t play every day multi tabling, 6 hours a day, probably more in the region of about 12 hours a week with only 1 or 2 tables usually. In that short time, and for the 5th time last night, I have lost after flopping a FH. I would never suggest for a minute that anything is rigged against me (why would it be), but I have no qualms whatsoever at suggesting that the cards dealt are nowhere near as random as it"s suggested. The large numbers of AA all in pre I"ve lost with is just horrible, way too often again (IMO) to be random (just a few posted on my blog, as well as one that went in my favour).

Those of you who know me well realise I"m the type to take beats and move on to the next hand/game. I"m struggling badly though to continue taking outdraw after outdraw, numerous runner runners, and again AA hammerings when you"re meant to be 4/1+ favourite. I"m completely unable to build my bankroll since my initial cash in week 1 and steadily feeling more & more demoralised getting smacked about the head. Last nights 88 v 10/7os on 8/4/4 flop may be my final straw, though I will continue with the first stage of the league at least.

[AMRN]

Sorry guys but I have to laugh at all the hints and suggestion about Pokerstars being rigged, or the cards being non-random.   In a world of lawsuits resulting in scrutiny to the lowest level of detail, do we really think that the largest online provider in the world, with a turnover in the billions, would risk losing it all for the sake of rigging the RNG to have an impact in micro stakes games, to favour house players??

[God]

[MintTrav]

Last nights 88 v 10/7os on 8/4/4 flop may be my final straw

Please say it was 44 with the T kicker.

[Scousebill]

Santino...

You seem to support what I am saying about the strange number of river hits to win, it is odd that if you get beat by a higher pair it doesn"t seem to happen as much on the flop or 4th as it does on the river.

I think the only thing at fault is not the site but maybe my timing but it still doesn"t stop it being so annoying...

[Swinebag]

last 19 times it"s been in pre with AA v 88 or such PP hands I have held up once....... last 13 times when it"s been AK/AQ v AJ/KQ type hands i have held up twice.

Screenshot?

well done for not quitting

[Santino67]

Santino...

You seem to support what I am saying about the strange number of river hits to win, it is odd that if you get beat by a higher pair it doesn"t seem to happen as much on the flop or 4th as it does on the river.

I think the only thing at fault is not the site but maybe my timing but it still doesn"t stop it being so annoying...

Seems to be way too many runner runners in my case, played 3 tourneys tonight, went out all 3 against runner runners. Top 2 pair v top pair then spade spade, Flopped Set of 5"s v A10 runner runner A-5 straight and can"t remember the other one. I"m never suggesting for a minute that anything"s fixed for or against any individual or group, but i am concerned that the cards aren"t as random as suggested.

*********** # 25 **************
PokerStars Hand #80347382490: Tournament #572010696, $2.50+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2012/05/12 18:32:17 ET
Table "572010696 29" 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: SantinoAPAT (2937 in chips)
Seat 2: karividda (23400 in chips)
Seat 3: gvozdik777 (5700 in chips)
Seat 4: peiraias79 (6450 in chips)
Seat 5: amc platinum (4990 in chips)
Seat 6: devi83 (21337 in chips)
Seat 7: gimmea147 (7350 in chips)
Seat 8: TotalFett (3700 in chips)
Seat 9: Nallerbux (2650 in chips)
amc platinum: posts small blind 100
devi83: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SantinoAPAT [ ]
gimmea147: folds
TotalFett: folds
Nallerbux: raises 400 to 600
SantinoAPAT: raises 2337 to 2937 and is all-in
karividda: folds
gvozdik777: folds
peiraias79: folds
amc platinum: folds
devi83: folds
Nallerbux: calls 2050 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (287) returned to SantinoAPAT
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nallerbux: shows [Th ] (a straight, Ace to Five)
SantinoAPAT: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Fives)