APAT Packages?

[Sef]

I was just sitting thinking general poker thoughts and dream satelite packages to the WSOP and  big poker tours. Then I thought of the biggest poker tour on the planet which is of course APAT anyway I got to thinking about satelites for APAT tournies and (correct me if i"m wrong) noticed that the satelites are usually seat only. Have you ever done/thought about putting together packages, like a seat and £x amount expenses and running feeders etc. for each event? Just curious as I love the idea of a package as opposed to just a seat and think it would attract a lot of interest.

[Paulie_D]

I was just sitting thinking general poker thoughts and dream satelite packages to the WSOP and  big poker tours. Then I thought of the biggest poker tour on the planet which is of course APAT anyway I got to thinking about satelites for APAT tournies and (correct me if i"m wrong) noticed that the satelites are usually seat only. Have you ever done/thought about putting together packages, like a seat and £x amount expenses and running feeders etc. for each event? Just curious as I love the idea of a package as opposed to just a seat and think it would attract a lot of interest.

We (and by that I mean Des) has and it"s come up before.

In general the cost of an APAT weekend can range from almost nothing if it"s next door to two to three hundred pounds if you"re at the other end of the country.

So, assume a level of £300 to cover buy-in, hotel and transport then you need 10 players each paying £30 to generate every seat.

It"s not impossible but, in the past (AFAIK), the level of interest at that cost has not been there at that level of buy-in for a small number of seats.

[Sef]

That surprises me, top 10% in a tourny to win a package 10x the buy in sounds like a good deal to me. was it tried with feeders at say $3-$6 buy ins? I for 1 would try to sat my way in to a lot more events if a package was there. Obviously it"s no good if the demand aint there though.

[Des]

This is something that is being revisited by APAT, both for APAT and other tour events.

[Paulie_D]

That surprises me, top 10% in a tourny to win a package 10x the buy in sounds like a good deal to me. was it tried with feeders at say $3-$6 buy ins? I for 1 would try to sat my way in to a lot more events if a package was there. Obviously it"s no good if the demand aint there though.

Not to say it won"t happen but, as I recall, super-satellites were mentioned and no-one seemed interested. No harm in raising it again though.

EDIT: Des replied before I"d finished so I"ll leave it there.

[Sef]

Nice one, hope theres a positive outcome.

[Marty719]

Nice one, hope theres a positive outcome.

[Geo]

I would love to see these re-introduced, however it was tried a few seasons back and despite encouraging prior feedback, they were not very well supported.

I think the community has changed quite a bit since then and the chances they may prove more popular have increased.

*Off to create staking thread for full package sats for next season*

Geo

[deanp27]

With any sats I much prefer seat only"s than packages so that I can make my own arrangements and more seats are generated in a particular sat. However with APAT, the expenses needed are probably higher than the buy in itself so what value would you put on an APAT event package?

[ian.ski309]

Nice one, hope theres a positive outcome.

Just noticed your sig Marty  

[Marty719]

Nice one, hope theres a positive outcome.

Just noticed your sig Marty  

New career as a Soothsayer

[Sef]

With any sats I much prefer seat only"s than packages so that I can make my own arrangements and more seats are generated in a particular sat. However with APAT, the expenses needed are probably higher than the buy in itself so what value would you put on an APAT event package?

I would probably go with paulies figure of around £300. Wouldn"t necassarily need to be a package with a booked hotel and travel as such. Seat + expenses still gives you the freedom of making your own arrangements. That said a pre booked package would suit others in the sense that they can"t be bothered looking for their own. lol

[Paulie_D]

There are a few problems with "pre-booked" packages.

Firstly, you are chucking the admin at APAT who, basically, aren"t set up for it.

Secondly, what might suit one person might not suit another. E.G. Should the hotel be within driving or walking distance?

In my opinion, introducing an "Expenses" element leaves the whole thing open to abuse in that players might play with a view to "playing for a profit" by which I mean play the satellite with no intention of playing the actual event.

In the past, I"ve seen more than a few examples of players who have consistently won satellite seats that turn up on the exchange in short order....or perhaps I"m just a cynical paranoic.

[deanp27]

Ok so with a £300 prize rather than a £82 prize what would your buyin be and how many runners do you predict?

[Marty719]

Ok so with a £300 prize rather than a £82 prize what would your buyin be and how many runners do you predict?

$22rb?  As far as ppl playing the sats for profit, then just say seats are not transferrable.