Re-Entry or No Re-Entry, that is the question

[Curlarge]

While we are all waiting for the 8pm announcement, i"d like to through this into the arena for your consideration.

Many events now offer 1 re-entry during the first 2-3 levels, although I understand DTD has now changed it"s policy here.

We had a situation in Cork where a very prominent APATer. who shall remain nameless (he likes to walk on water, supports West Ham and has a hammer, but thats not important right now), made an error of judgement at 2.36pm and was eliminated from the ME.

I am in favour of 1 re-entry for the following reasons.

1. Not all APAT events sell out and this would allow the prize fund to be enhanced should a player wish to re-enter.

2. Most APAT events involve considerable expenses to the player for Travel, Food, Hotels, Buy-in etc.., and I feel that the "fear" of busting early may be putting some people off attending. Whilst I accept that putting you hand even deeper into your pocket is no-ones idea of fun, it does at least provide the option.

3. I also accept that some players may choose to use this facility, should it be offered, to play recklessly in the initial period, but would any of us actually notice if Scouse, Dan Owston or Stu Ward tried to take advantage of this?

On a more serious note, it simply provides the option to any player who finds themselves in this situation early on, in an event they have made a considerable effort to attend, both in time any money.

[duke3016]

Points well made, travel etc - I for one would be in favour of 1 re-entry in the event of a total bust out in the first level.

Going to the bottom of the alternate list of course, if there is one.

[amcgrath1uk]

I can see the advantages and disadvantages of both.

From a personal point of view, I"ve gotten to know the people better after exits and spending much time in bars drinking   ( says a lot I know!). It"s a toughie!

[Waz1892]

Please please no. £75 is not cheap but the best offer in the market place.

RE just excludes even more so the average amatuer players bankroll.

There are plenty of high buyin / RE in the marketplace it doesn"t need more.

As a side event maybe fine, but not the main tournament please.

[Paulie_D]

I can see the advantages and disadvantages of both.

I talked a little bit about this with Curlage and others in Cork over the weekend.

I have always been against re-entries as a general rule BUT the exceptional circumstances of an APAT event convinced me that a single re-entry would only benefit APAT for all the reasons Richard has stated.

Clearly if we"re at DTD and their "house" policy is to the contrary I see no problem why ECOAP and WCOAP events could be excepted from he re-entry option.

So...stick me in the "Yes" colum.

[ChipHungry]

No re-entry!!! People need to accept they can get unlucky in a tournament and go out early and for other players it is a reminder to keep them from playing every hand just because they know that if they bust they can re-enter. Keep it a freezeout please!!!

[Paulie_D]

Please please no. £75 is not cheap but the best offer in the market place.

RE just excludes even more so the average amatuer players bankroll.

I don"t see this.

If you were only going to fire one bullet anyway then it doesn"t matter than another person can exercise an OPTION to re-enter (not re-buy).....and they are limited to a SINGLE re-entry.

Plus they"ll come in AFTER any existing alternates so it"s quite possible they won"t get in at all.

[Rhino56]

I"m in favour of having a re-entry especially when the tournament is nowhere near capacity (as happened in Cork)

[Santino67]

I"m not a lover of re-entries/rebuys, but don"t believe a single re-entry limited to the first 2 or 3 levels would be anything but advantageous for the reasons highlighted by Richard in the initial post. I"m one of those who generally has to book hotels/flights/leave to get to APAT events as there"s generally only 1 tourney a season in Scotland. So far I"ve never suffered that kind of very early exit (nobody mention the Cardiff PLO  ) in the NLHE, but believe it would be pretty sickening after the effort & expense of getting to the event in the first place.

It would of course be optional, so if it"s not within your bankroll or it"s not your thing for another reason then you have the choice to re-enter or not. I doubt very much it"s going to change the gameplay for the vast majority of APAT players and I don"t see there being a huge increase in the numbers of exits in those first 2/3 levels.

[Jon MW]

This argument for having a single re-entry is exactly the same argument as for having rebuys.

If you accept you can have 1 re-entry if you bust out in the first level - why not 2 in the first level? or 3? The length of time you"re in the tournament has been exactly the same so wouldn"t the argument about having spent the money to get there be exactly the same?

I don"t really think there"s much in the argument that it might have put people off entering an APAT event either - I think it might make people less willing to commit all their chips earlier on; but I don"t think it"s particularly going to stop anyone entering in the first place. Everybody knows where they are with a freezeout and everybody is on a level playing field - I don"t see any compelling reason to change it.

[Paulie_D]

This argument for having a single re-entry is exactly the same argument as for having rebuys.

Absolutely disagree. I think a single re-entry is a very different animal than a re-buy event.

Everyone knows that with a re-buy you have to have two or three nature pull-ups going in.

With a single re-entry you have the option of mitigating the variance of the whole weekend being wasted.

As I mentioned above, I am no great lover of re-entries as a rule but in this limited set of circumstances I can"t see a real downside.

[Sugar_Free]

I would agree with one re-entry but only in the circumstances of really bad luck namely:

the standard APAT first level hand of KK v AA where all the chips will get in the pot whatever way, or

AA gets busted when all the chips are in pre

Anything else is just rewarding sloppy play with a second chance, and I certainly wouldn"t agree with a re-entry for "lack of judgement".

Also any re-entry would go to the bottom of the alternate list as per Ger"s post

[Paulie_D]

I would agree with one re-entry but only in the circumstances of really bad luck

Can"t see this working as deciding on levels of bad luck that should apply would be, for all intents and purposes, impossible.

[dwh103]

Rebuy = You"re sat at the same table, you don"t leave your seat.

Re-Entry = You get up, join the back of the queue for entries. If you do get in, it"s on a different table.

Very different, and I"d be massively in favour. It would make little material difference to everyone, save giving someone on the wrong side of a cooler a chance to make something of a weekend away. And if someone wants to donate - more money in the prizepool. Those types are VERY welcome

[Fatcatstu]

3. I also accept that some players may choose to use this facility, should it be offered, to play recklessly in the initial period, but would any of us actually notice if Scouse, Dan Owston or Stu Ward tried to take advantage of this?

honoured that you put me in such high company!!!