Re-Entry or No Re-Entry, that is the question

[Waz1892]

Please please no. £75 is not cheap but the best offer in the market place.

RE just excludes even more so the average amatuer players bankroll.

I don"t see this.

If you were only going to fire one bullet anyway then it doesn"t matter than another person can exercise an OPTION to re-enter (not re-buy).....and they are limited to a SINGLE re-entry.

Plus they"ll come in AFTER any existing alternates so it"s quite possible they won"t get in at all.

IMO it changes the whole dynamic of the event if people play with a strategy of the intention to use the option to re-enter. So they"ll play differently than they would if it was a freeze out.

So players with bigger bankrolls etc will gain more advantage as they"ll play without fear of "doing a don"!

I understand the travelling costs etc and I"ve taken several events where it"s taken my longer to come and go them I played but I know that when I set off!! Skillz that I have and all it"s part n parcel I would struggle to commit to £150 to play in a tournament that I know I"m no where-near  the best. But its the chance to win something to compete against better players and to enjoy the superb atompshere at APAt events.

£75 is do-able and a decent amount but for a great day or 2 out.

[Sugar_Free]

I would agree with one re-entry but only in the circumstances of really bad luck

Can"t see this working as deciding on levels of bad luck that should apply would be, for all intents and purposes, impossible.

Which is why I detailed them in my post

[Jon MW]

Please please no. £75 is not cheap but the best offer in the market place.

RE just excludes even more so the average amatuer players bankroll.

I don"t see this.

If you were only going to fire one bullet anyway then it doesn"t matter than another person can exercise an OPTION to re-enter (not re-buy).....and they are limited to a SINGLE re-entry.

Plus they"ll come in AFTER any existing alternates so it"s quite possible they won"t get in at all.

IMO it changes the whole dynamic of the event if people play with a strategy of the intention to use the option to re-enter. So they"ll play differently than they would if it was a freeze out.

So players with bigger bankrolls etc will gain more advantage as they"ll play without fear of "doing a don"!

I understand the travelling costs etc and I"ve taken several events where it"s taken my longer to come and go them I played but I know that when I set off!! Skillz that I have and all it"s part n parcel I would struggle to commit to £150 to play in a tournament that I know I"m no where-near  the best. But its the chance to win something to compete against better players and to enjoy the superb atompshere at APAt events.

£75 is do-able and a decent amount but for a great day or 2 out.

Not only would the players with bigger bankrolls play without the fear of being knocked out - but they would completely mathematically be correct to do so. There are several situations, particularly deepstacked, where a marginal decision in a freezeout would be a fold because being knocked out of the tournament wouldn"t be worth the risk of the amount of extra equity you would gain by winning the pot. But if you knew you definitely weren"t going to be knocked out of the tournament then obviously the equity gained becomes greater than the risk involved.

I think a re-entry would put off more people then it would attract. There are plenty of people who could afford £75, but they couldn"t afford £150 - and I don"t think it would really be worth the risk of taking your one bullet and pitting it against those with the bankroll who can afford to reload.

[Hammerite]

As the person quoted in the original post, I must say I was not party to these conversations over the weekend, and in no way was there any sour grapes from me that led to the conversation starting. I made the mistake of committing all my chips that early on in the tournament and paid a heavy price, but I have learnt from the experience and that can only make me a better player in the future, which is what playing Apat is all about to me, pitting yourself against some of the best amateur players in the country and trying to improve. Believe me I took enough stick in the Shelbourne Bar to last me a life time.

However I am against the Re-Entry option, as I feel all past Apat Champions have had to go through the freezeout option, and I just feel that in the unlikely event of me winning one, my achievement would somehow feel tainted  to me if I had re-entered, to me it just would not seem right.

[Curlarge]

As the person quoted in the original post, I must say I was not party to these conversations over the weekend, and in no way was there any sour grapes from me that led to the conversation starting. I made the mistake of committing all my chips that early on in the tournament and paid a heavy price, but I have learnt from the experience and that can only make me a better player in the future which is what playing Apat is all about to me, pitting yourself against some of the best amateur players in the country and trying to improve. Believe me I took enough stick in the Shelbourne to last a life time.

However I am against the Re-Entry option, as I feel all past Apat Champions have had to go through the freezeout option, and I just feel that in the unlikely event of me winning one, my achievement would somehow feel tainted  to me if I had re-entered, to me it just would not seem right.

Don is quite right that he wasn"t party to, or involved in, the conversation I had with Des and subsequently Paulie, Ger and JP.

Don"s exit mearly highlighted the worse case scenario of travelling to an overseas event and busting early and it got me to thinking that if we could provide a "safety net" for those who come unstuck, more people might consider the trip.

APAT is all about friendship, and by god we tested Don"s to the max, and I"m pleased to say it appears that I am still his friend, for which I am grateful.

p.s. 2.36pm is forever to be known as "Hammer Time"  

[Swinebag]

As the person quoted in the original post, I must say I was not party to these conversations over the weekend, and in no way was there any sour grapes from me that led to the conversation starting. I made the mistake of committing all my chips that early on in the tournament and paid a heavy price, but I have learnt from the experience and that can only make me a better player in the future, which is what playing Apat is all about to me, pitting yourself against some of the best amateur players in the country and trying to improve. Believe me I took enough stick in the Shelbourne Bar to last me a life time.

However I am against the Re-Entry option, as I feel all past Apat Champions have had to go through the freezeout option, and I just feel that in the unlikely event of me winning one, my achievement would somehow feel tainted  to me if I had re-entered, to me it just would not seem right.

well put Don.

I"ll be honest and let you know that I was horrified you stuck 300BBs in with KK and am glad that you will learn from the experience.

Not a fan of APAT events being re-entry. Bigger rolls have a license to gamble in the first few levels meaning a different dynamic and a possible unfair advantage to these players. The usual response to this would be that players should be rolled for 2 bullets or shouldn"t play, but this isn"t what APAT is about IMO.

[Fatcatstu]

As the person quoted in the original post, I must say I was not party to these conversations over the weekend, and in no way was there any sour grapes from me that led to the conversation starting. I made the mistake of committing all my chips that early on in the tournament and paid a heavy price, but I have learnt from the experience and that can only make me a better player in the future, which is what playing Apat is all about to me, pitting yourself against some of the best amateur players in the country and trying to improve. Believe me I took enough stick in the Shelbourne Bar to last me a life time.

However I am against the Re-Entry option, as I feel all past Apat Champions have had to go through the freezeout option, and I just feel that in the unlikely event of me winning one, my achievement would somehow feel tainted  to me if I had re-entered, to me it just would not seem right.

well put Don.

I"ll be honest and let you know that I was horrified you stuck 300BBs in with KK and am glad that you will learn from the experience.

Not a fan of APAT events being re-entry. Bigger rolls have a license to gamble in the first few levels meaning a different dynamic and a possible unfair advantage to these players. The usual response to this would be that players should be rolled for 2 bullets or shouldn"t play, but this isn"t what APAT is about IMO.

Why anyone would want to play TWICE when Ger Smyth Snr is the tour guide of choice for APAT Abroad after poker excursions is well and truely beyond me.

[Paulie_D]

Ger Smyth Snr is the tour guide of choice for APAT Abroad after poker excursions ....

True but he has the huge advantage of a great deal of pre-planning from the Guru.

[deanp27]

I"d be in favour given my APAT record.

Not usually a fan but have been there when I have travelled 4 hours to get knocked out really early and think 1 second chance for a limited time would make me more likely to travel to APAT events again

[Curlarge]

I think 1 re-entry up until the first break (seems to be standard) or 2 levels say, would be reasonable.

I suffered a runner, runner, "1 outa", at Cardiff having flopped the nuts, and ended up spending the next 4 hours doing nothing as the venue was too small to run their usual Saturday night game, and there were no cash games until 9pm.

I"m sure that this is an issue for some members, and it certainly has nothing to do with the mathmatics of whether someone should call within this period. It"s all about giving the best possible experience for the vast majority.

[Joker161]

Travelling all the way to Cork and out in 34 mins? Some sort of re-entry in the first couple of levels seems like the humane thing to do in this situation.

At the WSOP this year (blatant brag) my event was a re-entry, and as far as I could see it just meant we had a bigger pot. It certainly didn"t affect the way I played, but then there was no way I was forking out another $1,500! In terms of affecting the way others played who might have been planning a re-entry, it just meant they played worse or made little difference. I remember Sam Trickett playing a bit of a loose hand, but that was to the benefit of the player who got all his chips. What a **** WSOP he had...

[duke3016]

Ger Smyth Snr is the tour guide of choice for APAT Abroad after poker excursions ....

True but he has the huge advantage of a great deal of pre-planning from the Guru.

And that is what makes these weekends, without which they would be lessened

[pables]

Freeze-out for me, I know my sentiment may change after a particularly bad beat but there usually is a bar and I like frequenting them  .

I know if I am in a re-entry I would play looser and that wouldn"t be right (it might be the norm however)  . 

Ian

[Fatcatstu]

Ger Smyth Snr is the tour guide of choice for APAT Abroad after poker excursions ....

True but he has the huge advantage of a great deal of pre-planning from the Guru.

I assumed that the tour guide was hired by the honourable Travel Guru to entertain the unwashed masses?

[Curlarge]

Travelling all the way to Cork and out in 34 mins? Some sort of re-entry in the first couple of levels seems like the humane thing to do in this situation.

At the WSOP this year (blatant brag) my event was a re-entry, and as far as I could see it just meant we had a bigger pot. It certainly didn"t affect the way I played, but then there was no way I was forking out another $1,500! In terms of affecting the way others played who might have been planning a re-entry, it just meant they played worse or made little difference. I remember Sam Trickett playing a bit of a loose hand, but that was to the benefit of the player who got all his chips. What a **** WSOP he had...

5 mins 40 secs approx. (2.30 ko)