PLO8 advice please

[abdoman]

I wouldn"t mind some advice on a situation deep in an MTT event. I"m a novice at this game so it"s very low stakes.

Final Table and I"m 8/8 with 70k and blinds 6k/12k. Get my stack in UTG v a single opponent (the sb). It"s a pretty hand, it flopped well, but I got quartered on the river. With the bb"s chips in the pot, I get 38k back.

Next hand I"m the Big Blind and this happens:

PokerStars Hand #81695536271: Tournament #569322629, $1.00+$0.10 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XXIX (6000/12000)
Table "569322629 2" 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: RetardOh (338398 in chips)
Seat 2: RaphaBRA_RJ (365451 in chips)
Seat 3: B PRIOR (246499 in chips)
Seat 5: fiskal (371235 in chips)
Seat 6: hippytippy (170361 in chips)
Seat 7: abdoman (38005 in chips)
Seat 8: boppen61 (165866 in chips)
Seat 9: hammers4hire (86185 in chips)
hippytippy: posts small blind 6000
abdoman: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdoman [ Td ]
boppen61: raises 12000 to 24000
hammers4hire: folds
RetardOh: folds
RaphaBRA_RJ: folds
B PRIOR: calls 24000
fiskal: folds
hippytippy: calls 18000
abdoman: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
hippytippy: checks
abdoman: checks
boppen61: checks
B PRIOR: bets 12000
hippytippy: calls 12000
abdoman: folds
boppen61: calls 12000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
fiskal is disconnected
hippytippy: checks
boppen61: checks
B PRIOR: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
hippytippy: bets 24000
boppen61: calls 24000
B PRIOR: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hippytippy: shows [Tc ] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
boppen61: mucks hand
hippytippy collected 90000 from pot


My questions are this:

With 12k in the pot and 26k behind, should I be jamming this hand / any hand, regardless of the action before me?

I didn"t like my hand but felt compelled to call because of the value offered to me with the min raise and two callers inflating the pot to 84k.

Is this a horrible call?

Should I be jamming any hand given the value?

Having called preflop, should I jam the flop, even though I haven"t hit it hard and am unlikely to be ahead v 3 opponents?

Can I fold here (preflop) and hope for a better hand in the small blind or sometime in the next orbit?

[Swinebag]

Think this is more of a general poker question rather than a PLO8 one.

Normallly with  a 3BBb stack I would tighten up (due to the guaranteed call) and fold what is a terrible starting hand for you. However you are in the BB and have a third of your stack in the pot ialready. A fold pre means you will have about a quarter  of your stackcommitted in the SB in the next hand leaving you with 1.5 bigs if you fold again.

flatting to fold the flop from a 3BB stack is pretty awful. It is so wasteful. I think you have to shove here and hope that the original raiser pots to isolate, giving you the best chance of surviving.

[Fatcatstu]

I would be folding pre to a min raise here with a call. Your hand is total and utter rubbish. What were you planning to do when you called other than flop the world? Putting another 1/3 of your stack in with J high and a horrible low hand doesnt make sense to me.

When you are playing hi/lo you need to have a hand strong enough to take one or both halves of the pot, here you had a hand strong enough to win neither really.

Once you are in, i never ever jam the flop, you have 1 pair in OMAHA with a back door crap low draw. what do you think your opponents have here that has seen a min raise? (dont read too much into min raises, i played a $4 hi/lo omalol tourney last night and was click raising late on as it gets the same answer as a bigger raise.) Do you think they have less than a pair of J with a 10 kicker? Do you think that they have a worse low hand than you?

Not going to be good ever ever ever, so well done for folding the flop

I would definitely be folding pre, it wont be hard for you to find a better hand to be honest.

[Chipaccrual]

Exactly what Rob has said.

The starting hand is not at all good, but with a third of your stack already in the middle, you are ideally looking to be heads up to a flop and hope you can at least half it.  The allin shove would seem to be your best chance of this occurring, but it really is a horrible position to get out of.

[deanp27]

Previous hand would probably be more important

[Rhino56]

I agree with fatcatstu, certainly a fold for me. I would have folded the previous hand as well. It might seem like value, but you really have poor cards for both high and low pots.

[mporter123]

I would have folded the previous hand as well.

We don"t even know what the previous hand was!

With 1/3rd of your stack in the middle I am not ever folding pre. Jam it in and hope to get it heads up.

[Rhino56]

Sorry Mark, I got my wires crossed there. but still a definite fold for me.

[dwh103]

I would have folded the previous hand as well.

We don"t even know what the previous hand was!

With 1/3rd of your stack in the middle I am not ever folding pre. Jam it in and hope to get it heads up.

Definitely fold pre. This is micro-stakes PLO8, so no-one folds. This hand is utter garbage pre, post, heads up, multiway, whichever way you look at it. With a hand with decent high potential I"d get it in (AKxx would be enough), and if I had a good low hand with minimal high potential I"d take a flop and get it in if I flop alright.

Better off waiting for Awxx or a decent high hand and getting it in then.

Getting it in on the flop is less bad, but still pretty marginal even with your stack size.

[Jon MW]

In general I"d shove with any cards when you"re so short stacked and you"re in the big blind, but this hand is so bad that I think I could probably fold it and keep my fingers crossed that I get something at least as good as mediocre in the small blind.

[Santino67]

Previous hand would probably be more important

^This^...........or it"s a jam in your horrid spot. You just have to hope to get lucky for a J/10 or diamond flop against 1 opponent. It"s a horrid starting hand but pot v stack dictates what you gotta do. Previous hand may have been a shove utg with any 4 cards though tbh!

[AMRN]

Easy fold pre