H4H - ridiculous

[AMRN]

I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty.     Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.

Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit....  random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.

Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)

[Sugar_Free]

If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty.     Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.

I just thought it meant you"re a useless tosser

[AAroddersAA]

Yes I agree there is a good chance there is something wrong with the coin at this point...

That"s just like declaring a poker site to be rigged because we have a bad run and lose lots of races!  If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. The law of probability says that a coin will land tails as many times as it lands heads, over time... however the law of probability is not a guarantee that it will land either way.


Anyway back to the original purpose of the thread, I think the extended H4H on BOSS is a joke.  

Wait a minute, that quote entirely misrepresents my post and position on the question. Read the rest of the post and I had already pretty much said what you said here.

Of course it"s possible to get the same result in 100 straight fair flips, but if they are part of one billion flips where the coin proves to be fair it is not a problem and almost expected.

[Paulie_D]

I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)

Without getting into a lot more, there is no such thing as truly random with an RNG.

The algorithms used are incredibly complex and based in inordinately high numbers but if there were such at thing as a true RNG...then all the sites would use the same one*.

^{* and people would still moan about them.}

[galo5767]

I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty.     Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.

Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit....  random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.

Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)

WOW  I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads  is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.

Are all RNGs the same? If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.
If all RNGs arent the same, what makes them different and what are the outcomes of these differences?
The integrity and transparency bit - dont be fooled.
I worked in the casino game for about 15 years and although I never seen anything illegal from the casino side, they have tactics that are morally wrong.  That doesnt mean all casinos use certain "tricks of the trade" but some certainly do.

[Paulie_D]

WOW  I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads  is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.

Just

So

Wrong

If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.

At last, you get it....it is your imagination.

[dwh103]

I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty.     Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.

Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit....  random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.

Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)

WOW  I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads  is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.

Are all RNGs the same? If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.
If all RNGs arent the same, what makes them different and what are the outcomes of these differences?
The integrity and transparency bit - dont be fooled.
I worked in the casino game for about 15 years and although I never seen anything illegal from the casino side, they have tactics that are morally wrong.  That doesnt mean all casinos use certain "tricks of the trade" but some certainly do.

You just haven"t tried often enough. If you can carry out a test an infinite* number of times, if something CAN happen, then it WILL happen. Though I suspect regardless of what anyone might say you"re not interested in thinking any different.

*Actually only 1.2 nonillion times will be required on average to see this result (1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376) - get flipping.

An introduction to Statistics - http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/statistics.html - as a matter of interest it has a section on influencing a random event by skewing the distribution (i.e. rigging the RNG) and over a reasonably small number of events shows how the simplest of confidence tests can identify a skew in the distribution.

Any poker site should be open about giving their RNG to auditors. With the sheer number of hands available any statistical analyst worth their salt should identify the possibility of a flawed RNG.

In my opinion it"s blindingly obvious, if someone is going to steal from you at a poker site - it"s not likely to be from a rigged RNG but from some form of human intervention or fraud.

[Paulie_D]

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1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,373 - Heads
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,374 - Heads
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,375 - Heads
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 - Heads

Online flipping is SO rigged.

[galo5767]

*Actually only 1.2 nonillion times will be required on average to see this result (1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376) - get flipping.


Prove it  

Ive never read any post on this thread that mentions stealing,  in my opinion, some sites want games finished/players out quicker than other sites.
There is no point in me continuing posting on this topic as those who believe, will always believe and those who dont, never will.
In Poker terms, I fold

[Paulie_D]

In Poker terms, I fold

Dealer pulls in folded hand with a sigh of relief and swiftly moves on.

[AMRN]

In Poker terms, I fold

Dealer pulls in folded hand with a sigh of relief and swiftly moves on, whilst the rest of the table mutter about extensive hollywooding before the obvious fold

FYP

[TheSnapper]

[MintTrav]

It is impossible for a coin to land the same way 100 times unless it is faulty. The probability is so minisule that it is impossible.

Otherwise, the word impossible has no meaning.

[PHIL_TC]

*Actually only 1.2 nonillion times will be required on average to see this result (1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376) - get flipping.

Prove it  

Its not impossible as however slim there is a chance of it happening. Its simple maths.

2 possibilities 100 times the same result = 2^100:1

So I presume the answer (without checking) is Dave"s 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376

x

[Paulie_D]

It is impossible for a coin to land the same way 100 times unless it is faulty. The probability is so minisule that it is impossible.

Otherwise, the word impossible has no meaning.

Huh....if something is impossible it means that the probability is 0.

If the probability is miniscule it has a positive probability (regardless of how small) and thus IS possible.

Impossible is a binary state..it either is or it isn"t.