Thoughts - $8.80 2x Chance

[mporter123]

PokerStars Hand #89776850185: Tournament #644583511, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2012/11/25 10:38:15 WET [2012/11/25 5:38:15 ET]
Table "644583511 13" 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: popeyedoyle1 (5008 in chips)
Seat 2: krokky9754 (5160 in chips)
Seat 3: daydreamsz (6355 in chips)
Seat 4: jerbelitsis (4200 in chips)
Seat 5: Barthold09 (2953 in chips)
Seat 6: makajka (13874 in chips)
Seat 7: KiloK13 (11209 in chips)
Seat 8: balader1 (11290 in chips)
Seat 9: Mark_Port157 (5255 in chips)
popeyedoyle1: posts the ante 25
krokky9754: posts the ante 25
daydreamsz: posts the ante 25
jerbelitsis: posts the ante 25
Barthold09: posts the ante 25
makajka: posts the ante 25
KiloK13: posts the ante 25
balader1: posts the ante 25
Mark_Port157: posts the ante 25
makajka: posts small blind 150
KiloK13: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mark_Port157 [Ts Tc]
balader1: folds
Mark_Port157: raises 300 to 600
popeyedoyle1: folds
krokky9754: calls 600
daydreamsz: folds
jerbelitsis: folds
Barthold09: folds
makajka: folds
KiloK13: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Mark_Port157: bets 805
krokky9754: raises 1295 to 2100
Mark_Port157: ?

Thoughts pre and post. Its a turbo tourney, blinds have just increased and will go up again in 4mins.

Only just joined table, 4 hands on villain and he has folded them all.

[ian.ski309]

He hasn"t re-raised you pre so he shouldn"t have a better pair than you, famous last words. I don"t see how you can call his raise on the flop and leave yourself 2500 chips behind. It"s a shove or fold here with no reads. I"m shoving and hoping he"s got A9 rather than a set.

[Marty719]

Pre fine, and get them in here given format and spr. Given villains actions pre, and the price we are getting, I can"t see any other options.

[Chipaccrual]

Pre fine, and get them in here given format and spr. Given villains actions pre, and the price we are getting, I can"t see any other options.

What Marty said  

[DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be)]

shove is just fine... you"ll be ahead most of the time. If not, then it"s just on to the next one.
Given the turbo format and the chips you have behind I don"t think you can fold here.

[mylesfdo]

shove is just fine... you"ll be ahead most of the time. If not, then it"s just on to the next one.
Given the turbo format and the chips you have behind I don"t think you can fold here.

+1

[mporter123]

Shoving pre an option / better?

Kinda hated it at the time. Looks like 66-JJ, A10-AQ, + some junk. Feels like I"m going to get shown sets or JJ here loads.

OPR villain appears to be bad reg. I would discount a lot of 9x hands.

[DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be)]

I think by shoving pre you would only be called by better hands or AK/AQ for a coin flip. Your stack is too big to shove it preflop. So the way you played it is just fine... and as I said, if he has you beat after the flop it"s just bad luck.

[AAroddersAA]

Shoving pre an option / better?

Kinda hated it at the time. Looks like 66-JJ, A10-AQ, + some junk. Feels like I"m going to get shown sets or JJ here loads.

OPR villain appears to be bad reg. I would discount a lot of 9x hands.

Stack Size is awkward. Just on the cur off point of being a standard raise/shove pre. I would not shove pre here but certainly would not hate it. Anything 5K or below is definitely a shove pre.

As played the pot odds do say get it in don"t they? Not actually sure what he has we beat mind but people always turn up with silly hands here so you are probably ahead more often than not. He should not have an overpair. But weird things really do happen on Pokerstar"s in MTT"s.

Actually he SHOULD have a set as it is the only hand that makes any sense (maybe JJ). Pot odds probably too good to turn this down though? I also have a rule that says I usually don"t worry about sets (it"s a bad rule btw).

[mporter123]

I folded - on reflection, appears a bad fold.

[Chipaccrual]

I folded - on reflection, appears a bad fold.

If your gut feeling was to fold, then nothing wrong with the fold, especially as unless the hand got shown, you won"t know if it was the correct decision or not.

[deanp27]

I"d be jamming most of my range pre but as played is ok but don"t fold

[Santino67]

He hasn"t re-raised you pre so he shouldn"t have a better pair than you, famous last words. I don"t see how you can call his raise on the flop and leave yourself 2500 chips behind. It"s a shove or fold here with no reads. I"m shoving and hoping he"s got A9 rather than a set.

^^^^^^^^this + what dodgy said^^^^^^

In a turbo especially, i"m flatting all day with a binked set here against a preflop raiser. Need to try and build that stack as much as poss with this structure so why kill the strength of your hand by raising? He could also be exploiting an expected standard c bet in this spot, with a dry flop it"s easy to assume you"ve missed and he can steal. My chips are in and licking my wounds if I"m behind.

[MintTrav]

So we are shoving. And we are either winning against A9, etc or we are crushed.

And he will snap-call with 33, 66, 99, 96, JJ, etc.

And he will snap-call with A9.....T9. We hope. Or maybe he won"t.

If we stay with this hand, we are mentally committing all our chips irrespective. We can do this without actually putting them in. If they are already in the pot in our head but not on the table, we allow him to put the rest of his in on the Turn.

We are very likely to be losing here, in which case we have decided that we will definitely pay him off. But if we are not, and we are determined to get them all in, we are going to allow him the only opportunity he will have to get away from top pair (or a bluff). Admittedly, in this case, his bet-size does suggest that he wants to get everything in, rather than that he will fold.

[Please don"t respond by saying "And what happens when X comes on the Turn". We are already all-in in our heads, remember?]

[Swinebag]

I actually think folding the flop here is terrible.

Given the stack sizes any post flop bet has to be with the aim of getting them in. Sure, early levels with 200BB it"s a clear fold but not here.