Play by Play - day by day

[AAroddersAA]

I find this an interesting situation so it is more that than I am wondering how it should be played. I just like these kinds of thread and find this spot quite worthy of discussion as they tend to come up more in zoom than regular tables. There are a few ways of doing it but interested in how other people think about it. We have no specific reads other than the Poker Tracker Stats. What do you do and why.

If you raise, why and how much?
If you flat, why? Why not raise
If you fold what make you want to fold this spot?

OK, some of you will know the result of this one (Brendan, Stu) so if you post please don"t give it away :-)

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): $37.67 | VP$IP: 21% | PFR 18% | 3-bet 8% | Fold to 3-Bet: 80%
SB: $42.41 | Hands: 60 | | VP$IP 30% | PFR: 28% | 3-Bet 10% | Fold to Steal: 75%
BB: $5.10 | Hands 16 | VP$IP 56% | PFR 25% | 3-bet 0% | Fold to Steal: 100% (but this is only one hand)
UTG: $10.70
MP: $10.27
CO: $7.55

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has

fold, fold, fold,

Hero

More to follow after we discuss the current spot.

[SirPercival]

Number of hands make the stats irrelevant IMO.

I would raise most times and flat on occasion (to mix it up)

[Bigfella42]

I would never flat here especially in zoom would raise smallish to $0.25 or similar we will have position post flop with not much invested (unless we get reraised).


oh and I love pocket 3"s..... just ask Frank!!  

[TheSnapper]

Number of hands make the stats irrelevant IMO.

I would raise most times and flat on occasion (to mix it up)

What do you want to happen when you flat?
What is the plan if you are raised?

[SirPercival]

Number of hands make the stats irrelevant IMO.

I would raise most times and flat on occasion (to mix it up)

What do you want to happen when you flat?
What is the plan if you are raised?

The plan is to see a 3 on the flop

[AAroddersAA]

I think the best plan would be to steal the blinds. Things don"t always go to plan though and both the blinds call. The good news is we have position and the flop arrives. We now need a new plan, what are we doing and what plans do we have against these players are we making any assumptions about these players.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): $37.67
SB: $42.41
BB: $5.10
UTG: $10.70
MP: $10.27
CO: $7.55

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero

[Fatcatstu]

I think we have to check behind. He has called out of the SB so I think he most liked has QJo+ and maybe a middle PP. If we bet here we are repping the ace there is very little of his range that he can call with OTF. Best to check here and let him catch up a bit me thinks, re evaluating on scary cards, but definately betting any bricks.

[Waz1892]

Defo raising with as more often than not you"ll take the blinds. By flatting pre it"s free cards to them and odds against us having a favourable flop.

On the flop with the 3 and 2 hearts. Be interesting as I find myself in this kind of spot often where a flush is on. How many time can we expect them to have the other 2 hearts. Does it matter at this stage of the hand.

Checking gives them a chance to catch up and it what I"d do here for sure as we"ve hit a monster. But do we not allow the heart to come? Or is this not in the think enough to be a concern

[pables]

On this flop I would check behind with this monster, I would not worry about much, as Stu has said what hands would he be calling with oop...........5 5??  

If this was a freeze out tournament and we had gone to flop I would bet in this situation to protect my set.

[Santino67]

Have to bet when you hit, wasn"t that the plan? Against only one opponent you"re hoping he"s planning a check raise with an ace, and flop"s a bit wet tbh. Stick 50p in there and start building that pot.

[TheSnapper]

Bet $0.60 for pure value, villain can call with any Ace, flushdraw, 54, 64, 66-99.

To the check advisors, assume we check, a heart hits on the turn and villain leads for $0.60, can you fold?

So we call that turn bet and the river doesn"t pair the board, villain leads for $1.50 into the $1.90 pot, call or fold?


edit to add: if the flop was say,   we now should probably check behind, it is less likely villain holds a hand that can call and our hand is not as vulnerable.

[TheSnapper]

Have to bet when you hit, wasn"t that the plan? Against only one opponent you"re hoping he"s planning a check raise with an ace, and flop"s a bit wet tbh. Stick 50p in there and start building that pot.

This is a good point and not just with an Ace, a semi competent player will know that you should cb this type of flop 100% (to rep an Ace) so we are check raised here somewhat often when villain holds any Ace, any draw, pp"rs 66-99 and sometimes complete air,

[Waz1892]

Have to bet when you hit, wasn"t that the plan? Against only one opponent you"re hoping he"s planning a check raise with an ace, and flop"s a bit wet tbh. Stick 50p in there and start building that pot.

if we bet and they fold, OK we win the hand right here, but we"ve won a small pot with a big hand.  Surely that isn"t the agenda when you hit a big flop?

how scared are we/should we be of the 2 hearts?

[AAroddersAA]

Have to bet when you hit, wasn"t that the plan? Against only one opponent you"re hoping he"s planning a check raise with an ace, and flop"s a bit wet tbh. Stick 50p in there and start building that pot.

What is your plan then if he does check/raise? You would expect him to make it about $2 I guess.

[Jon MW]

Have to bet when you hit, wasn"t that the plan? Against only one opponent you"re hoping he"s planning a check raise with an ace, and flop"s a bit wet tbh. Stick 50p in there and start building that pot.

if we bet and they fold, OK we win the hand right here, but we"ve won a small pot with a big hand.  Surely that isn"t the agenda when you hit a big flop?

how scared are we/should we be of the 2 hearts?

And if we check behind, say a blank arrives on the turn and it gets checked to you again -are you checking again?
If they have nothing they"ll probably fold to the first bet, if they have something they"ll probably call a flop bet anyway.

You can"t win a big pot with a big hand unless you put chips in the pot.
If they have nothing or they"re scared off by the ace then it"s just bad luck.

You could be unlucky and they have nothing to call with or you could be unlucky if you let them draw to a bigger hand.

I"d rather be unlucky and win a small pot rather than be unlucky and lose a big pot.