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APAT Local Games - Post your Questions here
« on: May 20, 2013, 14:42:28 PM »
Hi All,

Am sure many of you are now aware of the acquisition of the LivePubPokerLeague by APAT, who will now hold "APAT Local" Games via the LPPL structure and interface throughout the UK.

If you would like to find out more about how this will work or benefit you/your venue, please post your query here, and it will be answered.

Also, if you would like to play APAT Local games, but there isnt or doesnt seem to be any host venues near you, please indicate where you are - even maybe the names of venues local to you that may suit holding live poker nights, and we"ll contact them for you and keep you updated on progress - we have some great offers to incentivise them to hold these nights - why not give it a go?

Hope to speak to you soon!

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 16:16:37 PM »
Hi Mark,

Have spoken to you before on another forum about the lack of games in the west midlands area, now the APAT is on board with this would love to see some venues start up. I have looked on the LPPL website and maybe its just me but i have no idea how the whole thing works. Any info on stuctures, qualifying, costs, prizes would be appreciated you know just in case we do eventually get some where to play :)
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 17:05:50 PM »
Hi Mark,

I was wondering if you could get something going in the Bridlington/Driffield area in East Yorkshire/Humberside preferably Driffield, there are quiet a lot of players local to me.

As for venues, The Driffield Recreation club could hold poker as its big enough.

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 17:41:23 PM »
Hey Mate - i remember our discussion on the other forum - good to see youre an APAT member as well!

OK, to your points :

IN GAME STRUCTURES

We provide, for Landlords who arent "clued up" about Poker, a full welcome package that includes a whole guide to hosting a night - which includes a default and suggested game structure - which is essentially a 5k stack, 15 minute levels, starting at 25/50 running up the usual increments. The usual window for game play is around 3.5/4 hours - so for around 16 players, this works well.

But, thats just a recommendation - and we ensure the venues and players are well aware that they can play a structure that suits THEIR game. So if you want, and all agree, on an 8k stack - feel free! 20 minute blinds, 10 minutes - whatever suits your game. As long as it keeps players motivated to play and it fits in with the venues own timeframe ( we dont want situations where landlords are waiting for the game to be over, or chip counts required) then we are happy for to you tweak our recommended starting structure accordingly.

We do promote games that are of a "Deepstack" nature - and we also offer venues the chance to play Pot Limit Omaha games and what we call CashPoint games - games that allow cash to be played for WITHIN the legal parameters but also score you league points - there are some quite strict rules about these games though that must be adhered to. But they are also an option.

QUALIFICATION

Our Leaderboards run every two calendar months - so for example our next Season is due to start June 1, and will close July 31. August 1 will signify the start of the new season.

The Finals for Seasons are usually held in the 2nd or 3rd week of the following month - so again, the finals for the Jun/July Season will be held likely on August 11 or 18 - occasionally will be the 26th - very rarely do they fall the week after, unless there is an LPPL/APAT event on a weekend of these dates, where we will hold NO Area Finals at all - we want no clashes whatsoever.

The Date/Venue for Finals are always advertised before the start of the upcoming season - so all players know well in advance when and where their final will take place.

You can qualify for finals via one of three methods :

Finishing in the top X number of places in your overall Regional Area Leaderboard
Being a Top Average Scorer in your Region
Being your Venue Champion - so winning a local venues Leaderboard outright in isolation.

Points are scored for every game you play through the 2 monthly season - you can see how our points system works by looking here : http://livepubpokerleague.com/holdem_points

This link also shows you our default level structure, as well as what points can be gained from our Area Finals.

At Area Finals (every 2 months, so 6 a year) not only do you win prizes (top 10% of field as usual) but you score points that qualify you through to our other Ad Hoc events - our two annual National Finals (March and September) as well as our famous InterLeague Championships - where rep teams from each League battle it out in a specially formatted team event - so many extra events to play and qualify for via your regular weekly games and bi-monthly Area Finals.

COSTS

Costs are based purely on the number of players that play and are invoiced in arrears - so any Host venue :

1) Gets the benefit of trade from the players playing the weekly games BEFORE having to pay anything out and

2) Only ever pay for the players that play

The maximum fee per player that is ever levied by the League is £2:50pp - but the more players that play, the amount per head lowers - for example 16 players costs just £1.87pp!

We also send across a First Night TD to welcome players, show them how to register, explain the points system, show how to key the results, show them around the website and basically just be there to ensure the nights get off to a great start - oh and have a beer and a game of poker with them as well!!

We also supply a full promotional pack of posters, flyers, handouts that advertise the game both in house and externally, and all the stationery needed to run a game - totally FOC (as much as you want/need) - and at the moment, as a special for APAT members/venues, we can offer a system that means the venue gets brand new poker equipment (tables, chipsets, cards, dealer buttons, cut cards etc) TOTALLY free! There are also no joining/admin fees for venues/players.

PRIZES

Every Area Final has its own "Headline Prize" for the winner - not only do they get entrance into our end of year "Champion of Champions" event, but they win the attached Headline prize for that final. Now this will vary, depending on the time of year primarily - and we are reviewing the Area Final Headline prizes for APAT Local events against whats on offer at APAT Championships and the like so that there are no anomalies between what can be won and where. But direct buy ins to UK National and International Poker Tournaments, usually with hotel accomodation and, if needed, flights are included, often with spending money - for example in 2012 one of the tournament packages on offer was the International Poker Open in Dublin, where we took about 50 prizewinners for a long weekend, that included all of the above. Infamously, the event was won by our very own Tom Brady (hes never let us forget it either!) and overall we had 7 players cash in the Main Event - and many others during the weekend in side events. But at the centre of it all was plenty of lemonades, great laughs and banter, and cheering on fellow prizewinners to glory. Obviously our focus going forward will be the support of APAT events - so you may find direct buyins and entrances/packages to Season 7 events - but all will be promoted in advance of the Finals.

Secondary places in the Finals win our Reward Points - these are redeemed against items you can find in our online shop - so in essence, you pick your own prize(s). The amounts on offer at finals are variable, and you may well be able to accrue Reward Points via other means also - but you can spend them, gain more to get a bigger prize, save them - they are yours, and our Online Ship is always being updated with new prizes - both poker and non poker related - to redeem them against.

Hope that helps mate - we"d love for you to give us a go - im hoping that Mr Yates of the BCPC will be open to discussions and we have exsiting venues in Birmingham currently - but as said, we will accomodate any venue anywhere and if you are a little isolated, do a recruitment drive focused on your area to gain more players and venues.

Though also you can play the Tavern game - an online game which also wins you cash and scores you league points.....

Any more questions, please feel free to ask

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 17:48:47 PM »

Hi Mark,

I was wondering if you could get something going in the Bridlington/Driffield area in East Yorkshire/Humberside preferably Driffield, there are quiet a lot of players local to me.

As for venues, The Driffield Recreation club could hold poker as its big enough.

Regards

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Hi Adi

Not a problem at all mate - ill obtain the contact details of the Driffield Recreation Club and gain a POC and contact them - ill also try and source another venue or two in the vicinity and see if we cant get one or two up and running for you guys to play.

Will drop you a line shortly mate to advise you of progress - thank you for the recommendation and look forward to speaking to you - and hopefully having a beer and game with you - soon!

Mark

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 17:58:28 PM »


Hi Mark,

I was wondering if you could get something going in the Bridlington/Driffield area in East Yorkshire/Humberside preferably Driffield, there are quiet a lot of players local to me.

As for venues, The Driffield Recreation club could hold poker as its big enough.

Regards

Adi


Hi Adi

Not a problem at all mate - ill obtain the contact details of the Driffield Recreation Club and gain a POC and contact them - ill also try and source another venue or two in the vicinity and see if we cant get one or two up and running for you guys to play.

Will drop you a line shortly mate to advise you of progress - thank you for the recommendation and look forward to speaking to you - and hopefully having a beer and game with you - soon!

Mark


Thanks Mark,

The Bridlington Snooker centre run a league, on a Friday night run by the place, might be worth giving them a shout as they have 30/40 runners most weeks and just play for a bit of fun ( nothing for the winner of the league ).

Also The Lounge Bar in Driffield is a fairly big place and has just re-opened under new manager?
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2013, 18:08:36 PM »
Cheers mate - will try them all.

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2013, 21:40:27 PM »
Thanks for the excellent reply, much appreciated! Lets hope something can be sorted :-)
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 15:51:20 PM »
Just to let you know Mark...Kev has just joined the BCPC for our 10th season......he might even come back for week two if I can get his name right  ::)
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2013, 16:06:18 PM »
Hi Mark - Random question but does the league need to be tied to a physical venue? could it be run as a home game with the individuals paying the weekly fee(s)... which people are invited to and could maybe run in multiple locations / pub / club etc?
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 16:18:39 PM »

Just to let you know Mark...Kev has just joined the BCPC for our 10th season......he might even come back for week two if I can get his name right  ::)


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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 18:44:55 PM »

Hi Mark - Random question but does the league need to be tied to a physical venue? could it be run as a home game with the individuals paying the weekly fee(s)... which people are invited to and could maybe run in multiple locations / pub / club etc?


Hi Phil

Great question.

The short answer is Yes - with a But!

Long answer a little more complex.

Its something that we are presently looking at - we realise that it may very well assist and be popular for players without current/existing APAT Local venues in their area - so we are currently drawing up guidelines for the rules and parameters that the very thing you are asking could be implemented for players - we believe there are no legalities to fall foul of, so i would very much hope that very shortly we can bring you details of how this can be done and will work - so if you dont mind, please bear with us for a little while. I will bring you an update and - hopefully - a finished version of this shortly.

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2013, 18:46:19 PM »

Just to let you know Mark...Kev has just joined the BCPC for our 10th season......he might even come back for week two if I can get his name right  ::)



ahhh...hes one of your guys is he? Have i met him at one of your events?

Glad youve found the news now mate - lets talk soon - maybe get Kev involved also?

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2013, 20:15:07 PM »
Hi Mark and welcome

A couple of questions fro me:

1)  Are there any established venues near Barking, Essex .... or enough interest in the Essex area?

2)  What are the "Ruling" procedures in place for new venues that are not so poker savvy with Rules. Most APAT players know the majority of the "Rulings" but a lot of new venues springing up (hopefully from this) may not. Obviously common sense should prevail here, with experienced players speaking up in any hand disputes, but we all know what "pub style" poker disputes are like and awful/incorrect rulings being made by a pub manager put n the spot ;-)   Just wondered how other new venues deal with this.
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2013, 20:47:09 PM »

Hi Mark and welcome

A couple of questions fro me:

1)  Are there any established venues near Barking, Essex .... or enough interest in the Essex area?

2)  What are the "Ruling" procedures in place for new venues that are not so poker savvy with Rules. Most APAT players know the majority of the "Rulings" but a lot of new venues springing up (hopefully from this) may not. Obviously common sense should prevail here, with experienced players speaking up in any hand disputes, but we all know what "pub style" poker disputes are like and awful/incorrect rulings being made by a pub manager put n the spot ;-)   Just wondered how other new venues deal with this.


Hi There,

Thanks for the welcome

1) There arent any current venues in/around Barking - again, we"ll be happy to do a recruitment drive in the area if you feel there would be scope/interest - i guess it sounds more like where DO we have any venues - but its just the way we have structured the league - we want to create poker communities where venues support one another - not compete with one another. But its one of the main reasons we are so excited by the alliance with APAT - we can really get to grips with areas of the UK where we arent represented, knowing we have some players to mobilise, and get the poker communities going that work so well in other areas of the country.

2) One of the parts of our venue support is that we send along an "expert" to run/TD the first night - and part of his mandate is to help the venue landlord to (ideally) identify one of the players to help run/TD onward nights - we dont want the landlord (unless hes a poker player himself) to have to officiate, nor one of his staff - so we look and rely very much on the players to run the games - and normally, one player is happy to act as TD - sometimes venues even officially appoint one and reward him with a pint or two during the game nights for his efforts - set up, registration, in game TDing, and breakdown/results entering etc.

We do have a set of House Rules that we review/update (fairly!) regularly and we try and ensure that all players are aware of these and read them - TDs especially. Many players print off copies - more diligent ones go so far as to laminate them! But with mobile phones as they are these days, if there is a ruling required that a TD is unsure about, then they quickly view them via the site and rule accordingly.

Its often hard finding the balance between rule application and realising we can be dealing with new players to the game - but its all part of the learning curve and as long as the communication is clear - without being condescending, critical or confrontational, then rulings are usually accepted with good grace and the hope is they learn from them!

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