Season Seven Seat Reservation

[Sugar_Free]

We were supposed to be starting at 1pm on Sundays in S6 but other than Coventry that never happened. Casinos obviously didn"t think much of it then.

[AMRN]

I agree with everything Sillibags posted except the last point, which would be underhand and resented by players and possibly not legal.

Don"t the WSOP take their rake from the prize pool?

DTD do

[Jon MW]

I agree with everything Sillibags posted except the last point, which would be underhand and resented by players and possibly not legal.

Don"t the WSOP take their rake from the prize pool?

DTD do

Even though DTD do it - it"s still a terrible idea.

At worse it leads to the situation in America where massive chunks end up being taken out of the prize pool - at best you"re still effectively trying to "trick" people into believing something is cheaper than it is.

[Chipaccrual]

[AMRN]

10% juice charged, but then additional % withheld for costs?  wow!!

[AAroddersAA]

I agree with everything Sillibags posted except the last point, which would be underhand and resented by players and possibly not legal.

Don"t the WSOP take their rake from the prize pool?

DTD do

Even though DTD do it - it"s still a terrible idea.

At worse it leads to the situation in America where massive chunks end up being taken out of the prize pool - at best you"re still effectively trying to "trick" people into believing something is cheaper than it is.

Totally agree with the above.

Don"t like it when places do this.

[Chipaccrual]

[Jon MW]

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I"ve not been a huge fan of the additional charge, but when you balance it off with guaranteeing a seat, being then able to book early hotels and transport etc, whilst also supporting some of the APAT costs associated with running these events, then in the current poker climate, although not an insignificant amount to some players, I think it is a small price to pay.

This is a all true - for the existing community.

And there has been very little argument from people unwilling to pay it themselves; I think pretty much the concern has been how much this could potentially harm the growth of APAT - a lot of people not familiar with APAT are just going to look at figures like those and not even consider playing.

[TheSnapper]

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I"ve not been a huge fan of the additional charge, but when you balance it off with guaranteeing a seat, being then able to book early hotels and transport etc, whilst also supporting some of the APAT costs associated with running these events, then in the current poker climate, although not an insignificant amount to some players, I think it is a small price to pay.

This is a all true - for the existing community.

And there has been very little argument from people unwilling to pay it themselves; I think pretty much the concern has been how much this could potentially harm the growth of APAT - a lot of people not familiar with APAT are just going to look at figures like those and not even consider playing.

The proposed optional booking fee of £5, is an additional option for members, they can choose to ignore that option if they so wish.

If the minor addition of this new option can harm us, then we must be in a very precarious position.

[fandango]

My personal opinion..

I realise Des, Leigh, Matt and all those associated with APAT want the best for its followers..

Discussions are always very open and have great feedback from all, which makes APAT fantastic as everyone gets their say  .

I"m sure Des didn"t come to the decision to prehaps charge £5 additional fee to secure a garunteed seat to an event lightly..
But at the end of the day if it means securing venues for future events in the season and beyond I think it"s a very small price to pay or not to pay if you are against. I could sense the frustration in Des when he posted about the no shows at Wembley and it must be kinda upsetting and frustrating when this happens..

Poker is mainly about money at the end of the day it is a form of gambling I suppose but with a skill factor on top.. if the extra £5 is going to make a big enough decision to make a new comer to APAT or even a hardened APAT member think twice, then prehaps poker isn"t the recreational hobby for them.. May sound harsh I know but that"s just my view, £5 in today"s climate is pretty much nothing, and over the season if it adds up to £50-£60 then maybe that"s a nice meal out and a couple of glasses of wine..

Going back to the discussion situation, I don"t think it even should of been put up for discussion, Des should of explained what the situation was with why it was being implimented.. I guess Des wanted to discuss this to see if there was any other possible way around this?.. At the end of the day if indeed the £5 charge is implemented then you still have the option to use or not to use your choice..

Just my 2cents.. My opinion.

Now where do I send the £5 to secure my Coventry seat   ?

Oh and if I send another £5 can I have a pre announced season 7 schedual?

[AJDUK]

[Des]

[waltypies]

Thread is TLDR.

However when can we reserve out seats?  How will this be done?

Thanks

[Jon MW]

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Can you link me to where you can book those events in advance?  I"m thinking maybe PokerStars are as bad as APAT at making it obvious to customers.

I"m thinking that mainly Pokerstars don"t offer this service because there"s no demand for it (?)

If APAT had a link you could click to pay the whole buy in instead of paying a reservation fee - that is what pretty much everybody would do. The additional layer of reservation followed by payment at a later date doesn"t really strike me as a strong selling point.

I don"t really like the idea of different levels of membership of APAT - but I think it"s a better idea to have a paid membership when you can have priority booking on tournament seats than it is to have paid reservation. It may be nominally optional - but if a tournament is likely to sell out then it won"t really be optional and that just makes it extra juice with all the logical implications of putting off people who aren"t already familiar with the brand.

[Sugar_Free]

If APAT had a link you could click to pay the whole buy in instead of paying a reservation fee - that is what pretty much everybody would do. The additional layer of reservation followed by payment at a later date doesn"t really strike me as a strong selling point.

They used to, and it would sell out well before the two week red tape threshold.

Why not have two buttons, one to pay the whole lot and have say 100 seats available on that which closes 3 weeks previous to the event, and one to reserve for £5 which stays open to the evening before, with say 60 seats on that, the remainder going on satellites and local sales.