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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #195 on: June 11, 2013, 19:00:22 PM »
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #196 on: June 11, 2013, 19:09:38 PM »


Thanks for the clarification Des.

Neither Debjani nor I will pay this £5 extra fee, it"s a bad idea and not good for APAT in the long run.

We"ll just turn up on the day and if there"s a seat great, but if not we"ll go to Costco on the way home and do our monthly shop. Win win.


Thanks for your thoughts Andrew and we"ll certainly review the effectiveness or otherwise of the reservation fee on an ongoing basis.  Right now it"s just another thing that we are testing.  However, for Coventry there are several options to entry.  Why not satellite or buy in via WH at no additional cost?


Confused now - is it just me ???

If you can buy in direct on the WH website without a £5 fee, where does the reservation fee fit in?

I carefully re-read what you said earlier and maybe you mean this:


It is our intention for the English Amateur Championship to offer the following entry routes:-

- Satellites on William Hill [NO RESERVATION FEE]
- Direct buy in on William Hill (closes c. 10 days prior to the event starting). [NO RESERVATION FEE?]
- Reserve a seat for £5 (closes at midnight on the eve of the event). [Where and how?]
- Direct buy in at the casino (on the day of play). [NO RESERVATION FEE]

Going forward we hope to look at opening up live satellites via the Live Pub Poker League and the APAT Home League.


So (if I"m right) the fee would only be charged to people who prefer not to pay in full in advance (or who miss the pay in full deadline) but still wish to reserve prior to the day of play?

That"s a question for Des - no guessing the answer please Paulie!
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #197 on: June 11, 2013, 19:39:03 PM »



Thanks for the clarification Des.

Neither Debjani nor I will pay this £5 extra fee, it"s a bad idea and not good for APAT in the long run.

We"ll just turn up on the day and if there"s a seat great, but if not we"ll go to Costco on the way home and do our monthly shop. Win win.


Thanks for your thoughts Andrew and we"ll certainly review the effectiveness or otherwise of the reservation fee on an ongoing basis.  Right now it"s just another thing that we are testing.  However, for Coventry there are several options to entry.  Why not satellite or buy in via WH at no additional cost?


Confused now - is it just me ???

If you can buy in direct on the WH website without a £5 fee, where does the reservation fee fit in?

I carefully re-read what you said earlier and maybe you mean this:


It is our intention for the English Amateur Championship to offer the following entry routes:-

- Satellites on William Hill [NO RESERVATION FEE]
- Direct buy in on William Hill (closes c. 10 days prior to the event starting). [NO RESERVATION FEE?]
- Reserve a seat for £5 (closes at midnight on the eve of the event). [Where and how?]
- Direct buy in at the casino (on the day of play). [NO RESERVATION FEE]

Going forward we hope to look at opening up live satellites via the Live Pub Poker League and the APAT Home League.


So (if I"m right) the fee would only be charged to people who prefer not to pay in full in advance (or who miss the pay in full deadline) but still wish to reserve prior to the day of play?

That"s a question for Des - no guessing the answer please Paulie!



Correct Andrew.

APAT would not end up paying any transaction fees on payments made via WH, so we can offer that as an additional payment option here for anyone who wants to buy in without the reservation fee.  For anyone who would prefer to pay at the end of the month, or who misses the online buy in window there is the reservation option.

There will be a button on the APAT home page once the schedule goes up.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #198 on: June 11, 2013, 20:04:36 PM »
Let"s look at the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour.

I would very much like to play the £200 + £20 Six Max event at DTD next month, but the only way I can guarantee a seat is by winning a satellite, as they do not accept direct buyins until much closer to the event.

I just want to be able to buyin direct (blatant brag, I know)

So it"s a £48+£4 (1 in 5 get a seat)

Or a £10+£1 into the above satellite

Either option is generating more rake for the aforementioned online site, and although I could bink a seat on the cheap, based on the hands I have just got called down with, it"s like treading through a minefield.

Enforcing satellite entry only is just another way for the site to generate fees as they collect rake throughout the whole satellite process.  Again, I"m not trying to defend any additional charges, but comparing and contrasting the current options in the market.

Rant over.   ;D

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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #199 on: June 11, 2013, 20:19:48 PM »
Sooo when ?? does all this happen
Please enlighten me  :-\
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #200 on: June 11, 2013, 21:09:24 PM »

Let"s look at the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour.

I would very much like to play the £200 + £20 Six Max event at DTD next month, but the only way I can guarantee a seat is by winning a satellite, as they do not accept direct buyins until much closer to the event.

I just want to be able to buyin direct (blatant brag, I know)

So it"s a £48+£4 (1 in 5 get a seat)

Or a £10+£1 into the above satellite

Either option is generating more rake for the aforementioned online site, and although I could bink a seat on the cheap, based on the hands I have just got called down with, it"s like treading through a minefield.

Enforcing satellite entry only is just another way for the site to generate fees as they collect rake throughout the whole satellite process.  Again, I"m not trying to defend any additional charges, but comparing and contrasting the current options in the market.

Rant over.   ;D


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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #201 on: June 11, 2013, 21:14:53 PM »

Let"s look at the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour.

I would very much like to play the £200 + £20 Six Max event at DTD next month, but the only way I can guarantee a seat is by winning a satellite, as they do not accept direct buyins until much closer to the event.

I just want to be able to buyin direct (blatant brag, I know)

So it"s a £48+£4 (1 in 5 get a seat)

Or a £10+£1 into the above satellite

Either option is generating more rake for the aforementioned online site, and although I could bink a seat on the cheap, based on the hands I have just got called down with, it"s like treading through a minefield.

Enforcing satellite entry only is just another way for the site to generate fees as they collect rake throughout the whole satellite process.  Again, I"m not trying to defend any additional charges, but comparing and contrasting the current options in the market.

Rant over.   ;D


Thankfully there are lots of opinions shared on this topic and my personal position on the "fee" is that it could be useful sometime and save me some monies via confident advance booking of travel and accommodation, I may never have to avail of the option but I"m happy to have the option.

Your example above Leigh does fairly compare fees, it also highlights the power of supply and demand. I suspect "the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour"  ;D  charge those fees because they can, because demand dictates that their events sell-out.

We have somehow slipped in that respect and it"s difficult to discern why. Maybe the opposition simply appear new and shiny to the non dedicated Apat"er?

Whilst us dyed in the wool Apat"ers wait with bated breath, into the month of June, for season seven Announcement.

Does this ever later delay effect our appeal and hence the Demand for Apat events?

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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #202 on: June 11, 2013, 21:29:05 PM »
Whens direct buyin go up, i just wanna pay and get it done with!
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #203 on: June 11, 2013, 21:30:40 PM »


Let"s look at the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour.

I would very much like to play the £200 + £20 Six Max event at DTD next month, but the only way I can guarantee a seat is by winning a satellite, as they do not accept direct buyins until much closer to the event.

I just want to be able to buyin direct (blatant brag, I know)

So it"s a £48+£4 (1 in 5 get a seat)

Or a £10+£1 into the above satellite

Either option is generating more rake for the aforementioned online site, and although I could bink a seat on the cheap, based on the hands I have just got called down with, it"s like treading through a minefield.

Enforcing satellite entry only is just another way for the site to generate fees as they collect rake throughout the whole satellite process.  Again, I"m not trying to defend any additional charges, but comparing and contrasting the current options in the market.

Rant over.   ;D


Thankfully there are lots of opinions shared on this topic and my personal position on the "fee" is that it could be useful sometime and save me some monies via confident advance booking of travel and accommodation, I may never have to avail of the option but I"m happy to have the option.

Your example above Leigh does fairly compare fees, it also highlights the power of supply and demand. I suspect "the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour"  ;D  charge those fees because they can, because demand dictates that their events sell-out.

We have somehow slipped in that respect and it"s difficult to discern why. Maybe the opposition simply appear new and shiny to the non dedicated Apat"er?

Whilst us dyed in the wool Apat"ers wait with bated breath, into the month of June, for season seven Announcement.

Does this ever later delay effect our appeal and hence the Demand for Apat events?




It certainly doesn"t help that"s for sure Brendan.  We don"t delay by design, right now the market is waiting to find out when in April PokerStars are planning to run their £1m UKIPT.  However, we"ll be out with dates this week, with an event at the end of this month, and an event at the start of August and another at the end of August.  We"ll be all promotion and action shortly and I for one can"t wait.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #204 on: June 11, 2013, 21:40:31 PM »
Will direct buy in be available before Friday for Coventry?
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #205 on: June 11, 2013, 21:47:58 PM »

It is our intention for the English Amateur Championship to offer the following entry routes:-

- Satellites on William Hill.
- Direct buy in on William Hill (closes c. 10 days prior to the event starting).
- Reserve a seat for £5 (closes at midnight on the eve of the event).
- Direct buy in at the casino (on the day of play).

Going forward we hope to look at opening up live satellites via the Live Pub Poker League and the APAT Home League.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #206 on: June 11, 2013, 21:57:48 PM »

Will direct buy in be available before Friday for Coventry?


The sats and direct buy in will defo be up for next week Ant, possibly by Friday.  Once we get it confirmed from Will Hill, we"ll post here.  That said, the direct buy in opens after the sats, so that"s likely to be next Weds based on the plan I"ve seen.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #207 on: June 11, 2013, 22:02:28 PM »
the direct buy in opens after the sats


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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #208 on: June 11, 2013, 22:26:38 PM »


Will direct buy in be available before Friday for Coventry?


The sats and direct buy in will defo be up for next week Ant, possibly by Friday.  Once we get it confirmed from Will Hill, we"ll post here.  That said, the direct buy in opens after the sats, so that"s likely to be next Weds based on the plan I"ve seen.


You might want to check that plan  ;)


the direct buy in opens after the sats


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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #209 on: June 11, 2013, 22:27:28 PM »

Let"s look at the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour.

I would very much like to play the £200 + £20 Six Max event at DTD next month, but the only way I can guarantee a seat is by winning a satellite, as they do not accept direct buyins until much closer to the event.

I just want to be able to buyin direct (blatant brag, I know)

So it"s a £48+£4 (1 in 5 get a seat)

Or a £10+£1 into the above satellite

Either option is generating more rake for the aforementioned online site, and although I could bink a seat on the cheap, based on the hands I have just got called down with, it"s like treading through a minefield.

Enforcing satellite entry only is just another way for the site to generate fees as they collect rake throughout the whole satellite process.  Again, I"m not trying to defend any additional charges, but comparing and contrasting the current options in the market.

Rant over.   ;D


They/we do offer a direct buy in at outset to their Priority clients and the vast majority of events do go on direct sale generally in the fortnight before the event when most poker players (apart from the loyal play any event and qualify in crowd, which is quite large on Sky)  get their wotsits in gear

I also keep a good allocation of seats for the venue which gives me a lot of flexibility for clawback if required..depending on where the demand is. Anyone who wants to get in will get in

APAT doesn"t run the scale of satellites that Sky does (nightly for six weeks prior per event, to a big liquidity pool) so understandably the regulars who come to most/all APAT events have to focus on the direct buy in mechanism and have to do so early

The downside of this is it is far more difficult for a random newbie to play an APAT compared to other recreational tours because the mechanism for entering is so cumbersome. That"s not a criticism, just an observation and not necessarily detrimental to APAT events because the customer base is so loyal, testament to the whole experience of an APAT weekend

Whilst it is true to say that each of the tours in the marketplace recoup costs in various ways, the simple lack of a free of charge "BUY NOW" button on the APAT site when an event goes on sale is the issue, as by charging for a priority work-around to get on the list merely makes the tournament more expensive for the customer

Of course an organisation like DTD has an event up in the online lobby as soon as it is announced with multiple methods of buy in. As APAT has its own card-room now, isn"t this the easiest option, with the upside that it takes APAT players onto the site?