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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #210 on: June 11, 2013, 22:28:17 PM »



Will direct buy in be available before Friday for Coventry?


The sats and direct buy in will defo be up for next week Ant, possibly by Friday.  Once we get it confirmed from Will Hill, we"ll post here.  That said, the direct buy in opens after the sats, so that"s likely to be next Weds based on the plan I"ve seen.


You might want to check that plan  ;)


the direct buy in opens after the sats


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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #212 on: June 11, 2013, 22:37:41 PM »


Let"s look at the Blue Thing Above Us Poker Tour.

I would very much like to play the £200 + £20 Six Max event at DTD next month, but the only way I can guarantee a seat is by winning a satellite, as they do not accept direct buyins until much closer to the event.

I just want to be able to buyin direct (blatant brag, I know)

So it"s a £48+£4 (1 in 5 get a seat)

Or a £10+£1 into the above satellite

Either option is generating more rake for the aforementioned online site, and although I could bink a seat on the cheap, based on the hands I have just got called down with, it"s like treading through a minefield.

Enforcing satellite entry only is just another way for the site to generate fees as they collect rake throughout the whole satellite process.  Again, I"m not trying to defend any additional charges, but comparing and contrasting the current options in the market.

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They/we do offer a direct buy in at outset to their Priority clients and the vast majority of events do go on direct sale generally in the fortnight before the event when most poker players (apart from the loyal play any event and qualify in crowd, which is quite large on Sky)  get their wotsits in gear

I also keep a good allocation of seats for the venue which gives me a lot of flexibility for clawback if required..depending on where the demand is. Anyone who wants to get in will get in

APAT doesn"t run the scale of satellites that Sky does (nightly for six weeks prior per event, to a big liquidity pool) so understandably the regulars who come to most/all APAT events have to focus on the direct buy in mechanism and have to do so early

The downside of this is it is far more difficult for a random newbie to play an APAT compared to other recreational tours because the mechanism for entering is so cumbersome. That"s not a criticism, just an observation and not necessarily detrimental to APAT events because the customer base is so loyal, testament to the whole experience of an APAT weekend

Whilst it is true to say that each of the tours in the marketplace recoup costs in various ways, the simple lack of a free of charge "BUY NOW" button on the APAT site when an event goes on sale is the issue, as by charging for a priority work-around to get on the list merely makes the tournament more expensive for the customer

Of course an organisation like DTD has an event up in the online lobby as soon as it is announced with multiple methods of buy in. As APAT has its own card-room now, isn"t this the easiest option, with the upside that it takes APAT players onto the site?

 


We"d certainly like to make more of that facility Rich, but because of the way APAT contracts for our poker room, it"s near impossible to get the money to a casino within a four week plus leadtime - which means we are always playing catch up. 

That"s less of an issue when we partner with a third party site, but we are still looking at min two weeks off sale prior to the event, not ideal as a lot of players hear of an event from their friends in the days leading up. 

What we are trying to do is offer as many options as possible to meet all needs - not easy, but this sort of process will give players a better opportunity to get into an APAT than they"ve ever had before.  And I think a home page button puts us ahead of the market (who"s sole interest is to get you to download their client) for ease of access.  I think sometimes we need to remind ourselves that we are primarily about live events as we have so much else going on.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #213 on: June 11, 2013, 23:03:19 PM »
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #214 on: June 12, 2013, 01:07:21 AM »

min two weeks off sale prior to the event


This is something that we see quoted all the time, and a lot of us struggle to understand why it takes two weeks to transfer money. Even if there are some obstacles (though I don"t understand what they could be), they could surely be overcome if the sender really wants to do it.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #215 on: June 12, 2013, 09:10:17 AM »


min two weeks off sale prior to the event


This is something that we see quoted all the time, and a lot of us struggle to understand why it takes two weeks to transfer money. Even if there are some obstacles (though I don"t understand what they could be), they could surely be overcome if the sender really wants to do it.


This is an easy one, unfortunately.

The sender; if it was APAT online, wouldn"t even receive the funds from the holding tank / satellites for several weeks as we are a skin of a GTech operator.  We"ve sought better flexibility there, but it doesn"t exist. 

If the sender were a third party partner like William Hill for example then you get mired in process.  You are asking them to send the contents of a prize pool on their site to a further third party partner, who isn"t a partner of theirs.  Both the online operator and the live casino are almost always very large companies and supplier payment processes are typically once a month.  So our marketing contacts have to twist the arms of their accounts counterparts to get the payment done earlier.  Supplier setup forms and signoff are required and often finding the right accounts to transfer to (and from) is a nightmare.  Plus, the money has to be in place and receipted prior to the live event starting.  If the money isn"t there on the Friday before the event, it"s all off - no matter how large or reputable the parties involved are.  Can you imagine the shame of that occuring?

I know the above all sounds long winded, but it"s a completely accurate summary of the hoops we need to handhold both parties through for each money transfer.

To give you an example of how sensitive this process is, a very large third party partner of ours sent a five figure sum of money to the wrong account a few months ago.  It ended up with a casino who wasn"t holding one of our events.  It took five long weeks to get the money back.  Neither party could open a discussion with the other, it all had to go through APAT.

Crazy, but true.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #216 on: June 12, 2013, 10:03:36 AM »


The sender; if it was APAT online, wouldn"t even receive the funds from the holding tank / satellites for several weeks as we are a skin of a GTech operator.  We"ve sought better flexibility there, but it doesn"t exist. 


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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #217 on: June 12, 2013, 15:43:42 PM »
Is it not possible for the relevant casinos to have a direct buyin for the event on their own skins like DTD do?

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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #218 on: June 12, 2013, 15:58:22 PM »

Is it not possible for the relevant casinos to have a direct buyin for the event on their own skins like DTD do?


Same issues apply...it"s been mooted before ITT
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #219 on: June 12, 2013, 16:10:27 PM »
So Des, if we buy direct in but then won the satellite are we refunded the direct buy? Why aren"t the satellites before the direct buy in like I think they use to be?!?!?...oh....and do I now need to reopen my WH account to buy in?

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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #220 on: June 12, 2013, 16:15:05 PM »

So Des, if we buy direct in but then won the satellite are we refunded the direct buy?


As I recall, "No"...but you can unreg from the direct buy-in and get it back that way.


Why aren"t the satellites before the direct buy in like I think they use to be?!?!?


Timing would be my assumption. We"re only a couple of weeks away after all and Des wants to get as many players regged a.s.a.p. but still offer sats as a possible alternative.


...do I now need to reopen my WH account to buy in?


Yep...I certainly have / will.
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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #221 on: June 12, 2013, 17:55:36 PM »

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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #222 on: June 12, 2013, 18:17:05 PM »
That"s what I like to see....good old fashioned common sense!!

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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #223 on: June 12, 2013, 18:30:08 PM »

That"s what I like to see....good old fashioned common sense!!


Are you calling me old and common ?


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Re: Season Seven Seat Reservation
« Reply #224 on: June 12, 2013, 23:47:58 PM »
Errrr ??? ??? ;D