Adjusting

[SirPercival]

Not a particular hand, just a question re general adjustment.

I played at Sheffield Genting on Friday. £33 (re-entry allowed up to first break), £1,500GTD, 25,000 starting stack, 30 minute blinds up to the break 20minutes thereafter.

After a few hands it became very apparant that there was going to be a minimum of 4 players to each flop.

Pre flop raises of 4x and more were still getting 2 or 3 callers. 3-bets seemed less popular than an "average" table, C-bets were almost always called, and at least 3 players would call 2nd and 3rd barrel very light.

So how should I adjust to maximise the situation?

[AMRN]

The obvious answer is to wait for strong hands and maximise value.

My problem in these scenarios is that I find myself getting drawn in.

Patience, patience, patience!

[dwh103]

The obvious answer is to wait for strong hands and maximise value.

My problem in these scenarios is that I find myself getting drawn in.

Patience, patience, patience!

Yeah, it"s boring, but wait for hands. You can probably get away with varying your raise size pre, perhaps click suited connectors on the button, but 4x Aces and Kings.

And bet more than you usually would almost all the time. Big 3bets with big hands, pot+ on flops etc etc.

[SirPercival]

OK, so I raise 4x UTG +1 with QQ get 4 callers. Ace or King on flop, what now?

If I bet (even more than usual) at least 1 of them is calling whether they have the overcard or not.

I found it quite hard to play against.

[duke3016]

If it"s that bad - consult the Chezger book of hands and shove anything over JJ, the game seems to be a crock of shiite anyway, so feck em  

[SirPercival]

If it"s that bad - consult the Chezger book of hands and shove anything over JJ, the game seems to be a crock of shiite anyway, so feck em  

Joking aside (what? you weren"t joking!) I was tempted to shove 30BB pre on several occasions.

[dwh103]

OK, so I raise 4x UTG +1 with QQ get 4 callers. Ace or King on flop, what now?

If I bet (even more than usual) at least 1 of them is calling whether they have the overcard or not.

I found it quite hard to play against.

Keep making the best actions you can with the information you have on the villains.

If you"re nearly always going to be in a bad situation, then there"s nothing wrong with check-folding.

If you know your Villain"s well and you know their calling range is very wide then you might be able to bet small for info and try to get to a cheap showdown. (Probably should"ve been clearer in my first post that betting bigger - in value situations only, bluff/block/pot control as cheap as you can).

It"s dull, and annoying - but in actuality pretty easy to play against. Flop the nuts, get paid - if you don"t run out of time!

[s4ooter]

OK, so I raise 4x UTG +1 with QQ get 4 callers. Ace or King on flop, what now?

If I bet (even more than usual) at least 1 of them is calling whether they have the overcard or not.

I found it quite hard to play against.

Keep making the best actions you can with the information you have on the villains.

If you"re nearly always going to be in a bad situation, then there"s nothing wrong with check-folding.

If you know your Villain"s well and you know their calling range is very wide then you might be able to bet small for info and try to get to a cheap showdown. (Probably should"ve been clearer in my first post that betting bigger - in value situations only, bluff/block/pot control as cheap as you can).

It"s dull, and annoying - but in actuality pretty easy to play against. Flop the nuts, get paid - if you don"t run out of time!

+1

Granted, my biggest fault is getting frustrated when met with calling stations like this but its the right thing to do.
Then when your stack is 17-25bbs deep just 3bet jam lots

[Waz1892]

overbet/play your huge hands, lilely to get called anyway.

I always tried to wait, but the concern was getting a big hand, betting as per table (or more) and still getting 2/3 callers...higher chance of getting outgunned.

Never done it, but wondered if playing good flopping hands pre to catch out the callers?

[TheSnapper]

Hard to add to Daves points other than..

Implied odds are huge in this type of game so play lots of suited,  unsuited connectors and small pairs, mostly in late position then bet the bejaysus out of two pair +

[deanp27]

yeah just rewind a few years and remember how live games used to play (esp in casinos) - play big hands strong, play some implied odds type hands IP, isolate weak players when you get the opportunity and when the blinds go up go bat**** crazy and manage your stack (ok you may want to ignore the crazy bit but it worked for me). Nits tend to get the lot in these type of games so a general patient strategy is probably optimal.

Regarding postflop then general poker awareness applies. If you have QQ on a AKx flop then don"t sweat it. If you can"t bet for value then don"t bet, no point bluffing in a 4 way pot unless you pick up a decent read that whoever continues in the hand is weak.

if you can get the pot down to 1/2 opponents then continuation betting on the right boards is also good. But no point c-betting for the sake of it when faced by 4 opponents.

[WYoung83]

This is what a lot of standard live house games are like, and it makes for **** poker really.

Try to keep pots a small as possible, dont iso raise limpers as a bluff, dont c bet into  multiway pots with nothing etc.

Do try and  see "cheap" flops with suited Ax so you can cooler someone hopefully, and try to set mine in cheap limped pots, eg. one guy limps so u over limp behind with small and medium pairs, defently dont isolate the limper because u get cold called way to often by someone else and you are just wasting chips and bloating pots that you have to give up on most of the time.

And dont worry about check/folding QQs on A or K high flop in a multiway pot, someone has it and you are never gonna get worse to call or better to fold so just dont bet.

[Drewski]

It"s hard but you get this all over live play. Was so frustrating at first, especially as you play a lot less hands in a live play tourney. As the others said it comes down to the basics. If your table is loose, tighten up and vice versa. Observe how they play post flop as it doesn"t always mean they are calling stations. In the situation that you described they are, so bet for value more and give hands like TPTK more weight. Don"t give any free cards if you have hit.

I tend to play my draws passively in spots like this rather than pot building, unless it is a monster like an open ended flush draw with over cards. Interested to know how others play their draws here.

Also remember if players are playing more hands it gives you more opportunities to gather info on them. Try not to make this into a negative or that will effect your game even more. It"s an opportunity to be patient but build a stack.

Good luck