APAT UK Team Championship

[APAT]

Nope, this is completely open Daniel.

[kinboshi]

Nope, this is completely open Daniel.

Thanks Des.

See you tomorrow.

[Jon MW]

I"m assuming their is a total capacity limit?

[APAT]

I"m assuming their is a total capacity limit?

Almost certainly.  Unless we use the smoking cage.

[kinboshi]

I"m assuming their is a total capacity limit?

Yes, your hat"s barred.

[Jon MW]

I"m assuming their is a total capacity limit?

Almost certainly.  Unless we use the smoking cage.

Any idea what it will be?

[APAT]

The G"s are normally 200, but we have a little thinking to do around the format of this event still.  Will bottom the details out when we get back from Edinburgh.  It"s going to be a corker.....

[Paulie_D]

Des,

After you have rested from the usual chaos of a National Weekend, I have a thought or two for you to mull over (and everyone else).

I can see that we have a number of forums interested already but should the "teams" not represent, if possible, a cross-section of that forums abilities?

What I mean is, perhaps a forum is only able to send, say 10 people, but APAT or LPM send 20. Rather than front-loading your "first team" with your perceived "better players" the skill levels could be evenly distributed by giving each player points based on their final position. (Say 1 point for 1st out, 200 for last etc).

Each contingent as a whole could be scored (say 10 from Punters Lounge score 500 and 20 from the LPM score 750) but the total pro-rated by the number of players.

In the example above, PL have an average of 50, but the LPM only 37.5, therefore PL would win.

This has a couple of added benefits:

• It doesn"t matter how many people are in each contingent (subject to minimums)


• Captains don"t have to pick and choose between people when deciding who to put in their teams because everyone is in a single "team".


• The pro"s don"t have a "super-team of 10" advantage giving us poor amateurs a shot.

I am sure that there are a lot of other issues that will impinge on the final format but I just thought I would throw that out there....

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[Jon MW]

Des,

After you have rested from the usual chaos of a National Weekend, I have a thought or two for you to mull over (and everyone else).

I can see that we have a number of forums interested already but should the "teams" not represent, if possible, a cross-section of that forums abilities?

What I mean is, perhaps a forum is only able to send, say 10 people, but APAT or LPM send 20. Rather than front-loading your "first team" with your perceived "better players" the skill levels could be evenly distributed by giving each player points based on their final position. (Say 1 point for 1st out, 200 for last etc).

Each contingent as a whole could be scored (say 10 from Punters Lounge score 500 and 20 from the LPM score 750) but the total pro-rated by the number of players.

In the example above, PL have an average of 50, but the LPM only 37.5, therefore PL would win.

This has a couple of added benefits:

• It doesn"t matter how many people are in each contingent (subject to minimums)


• Captains don"t have to pick and choose between people when deciding who to put in their teams because everyone is in a single "team".


• The pro"s don"t have a "super-team of 10" advantage giving us poor amateurs a shot.

I am sure that there are a lot of other issues that will impinge on the final format but I just thought I would throw that out there....

[/ducks for cover]

This would mean that if you had a number of weaker players in your big team, and consequently they ended up finishing in lower positions, they would drag your average down.

Therefore it would be in the teams best interest to not enter those players at all - a team of 10 high achievers would be expected to score a higher average than a team of 20 "across the board" players.

Given that poker players as a bunch are quite competitive it would seem more unfair to put the forums in the position of having to choose whether to choose everybody to go or whether to aim for the best result possible.

Another issue is that I would see part of the additional skill involved in a team game as opposed to an individual game, is that of the captains" ability to accurately judge how good his pool of players are.

Being able to put all his best players in the "A" Team for a forum isn"t necessarily a simple task and a forum who can distinguish exactly who their 10 best players are, should get the benefit from being able to do so.

[Paulie_D]

Don"t mind me, I"m just bitter because I can"t be in Edinburgh.

You make good points Jon...but I think the concept of having "first teams" would be divisive within each forum as we poker players do have a tendency of over-rate ourselves.

This would mean that if you had a number of weaker players in your big team, and consequently they ended up finishing in lower positions, they would drag your average down.

True, but my better players even that out, that"s why it"s pro-rated.

Plus, what if your forum is not large enough to send more than 1 team? Should you be penailsed because that"s all you can send?

Another issue is that I would see part of the additional skill involved in a team game as opposed to an individual game, is that of the captains" ability to accurately judge how good his pool of players are.

TBH, this isn"t really a team game as each player can"t co-operate with his/her teammates...and I take your point.....but what if you can"t send more than 1 team.

If APAT's 4th team wins on the day..does that mean that APAT has the best players or just that those 10 players had a better day than the other APAT teams?

I know this is all open to Des" final format and the number of seats available but, the point I suppose I am trying to make is that, it would be a shame if the winning forum was announced just because they could send more 10 man teams than any other.

[Chipaccrual]

Food for thought that I am sure Des will dine on when he returns from Edinburgh.  I think it is very difficult to rank players abilities to ensure an even ability level within one particular team.

After all, poker is the great game it is because anyone can pull up a chair and play, and on their day perform well.  The better players are obviously more consistent.

As long as I make it onto an APAT team, I"m happy (even if it will probable be the 3rd or 4th string).

Should be a cracking weekend and a very competitive one.

Leigh

[Waz1892]

love to represent APAT..but prob in Team F....but would love too nonetheless

[TartanDevil]

As previously emailed to u guys, Time For Poker would like to enter a team to the Blackpool Event. Just need to know how many is it per team (can it be between 5 & 10 players per team or definately 10 )and I"ll get the names sent to you asap

x.

[FlyingPig73]

George, I would love to represent the APAT team forum...

What do you need to qualify....? If its being a fish,,,, I am well in.....

[HaworthBantam]

You make good points Jon...but I think the concept of having "first teams" would be divisive within each forum as we poker players do have a tendency to over-rate ourselves.

I don"t, I"m rubbish