Cheers for all the replies Guys, after I 3 bet I wished I had only flatted after Rodders had 4 bet but we have to play with the decision took at the time, looking back, a flat pre was the obvious choice, been getting a bit aggro in my online stuff lately and this perhaps spewed over into this game, sometimes this move works, this time it didn"t, it wasn"t terminal but it wasn"t the greatest move in the world, hey oh move on every days a learning day.