Cash Tour - Finalised Format for Leg 3 - UKCOAP, Nottingham

[MarkTheShark]

Thank you to all Members who gave their thoughts and feedback to the Cash Tour format.

I am happy to release the format for Leg 3, for the UKCOAP at Dusk till Dawn, Nottingham - please bear in mind that we cannot accomodate everything and also we do want to be able to trial and offer certain features, in the hope that they will appeal to tournament players in giving this a go - and certain Cash game features may well do that, as long as we can "limit the damage" they can do by this hybrid concept.

We accept that not everything may not be everyones cup of tea, but we have listened to comments and feel there is enough scope and justification to warrant including in Leg 3. We have made other alterations that we do feel are necessary and much required also.

Please also note the start time for the Cash Tour at Nottingham is now 21:00, rather than the originally published 18:00.

CASH TOUR - LEG 3 FORMAT

The event is run over two timed phases and the key features are as follows:-

Phase One:- (9pm - Midnight)

- The first phase will run over six tables (8 handed max - so 48 max players) for a three hour period. If 48 players is not reached, we will decide on the number of tables and players per table to start - as close to 8 max as possible - but in some instances starting off 9 handed may well be necessary/prudent

- Players must buy in INITIALLY for £50 + £15.

- Of the £15 fee, £10 will be a Championship payment, which is collected from all players.

- Players will be assigned a table and seat number as in tournament play.

- Blinds will be static at 25p / 50p in the first phase.

- Players can opt to leave with the cash in front of them. However, once they have exited, they cannot buy back in.

- Late Regs will be allowed, numbers permitting, for the first hour of play.

- Tables are balanced following exits as a tournament would be.

- Players will be given three generic APAT CASH TOUR tokens that have a value of £50 each with their initial buy in. These are not in play in their token form. Players may redeem these tokens for £50 cash (no juice element) at ANY TIME once play has started to top up their stacks. These tokens can be used up until the "Last 5 Hands" announcement has been made, which will be with approximately 5 mins of play left. Any unused tokens at this point will be handed back to the TD and not be made available again.

-The clock will be stop with the annoucement of "Last 5 hands" to cash in/collect any remaining tokens and also to do a chip count per player, which will be announced to the floor in stack order so that players are aware of their targets. This will be the only time an official count is done "in play" and announced.

-The "Last 5 Hands" will be done on a Hand for Hand basis.

- At the end of the first phase, the eight most profitable players carry forward their total stacks to the final table. If any of the Top 8 do not wish to do so, places will be offered down in order, until we have 8 players for the Final Table.

- The game is over for the remaining players and they keep whatever cash is left in front of them.

Phase Two:- (12:30 - 2:30am)

- The final phase will run over two hours.

- The blinds will increase to 50p / £1.

- Players will draw for seat position.

- Players can again choose to leave the final table at any point with the cash in front of them.

- An announcement again of "Last 5 hands" will be made with approximately 5 minutes of play left.

- The player who is either the last standing, or has the largest OVERALL TOTAL stack left after the two hour phase two period will be the event winner.

- The Championship Fees will be awarded thus :

Less Than 26 players - Winner Take All
26 or More players - Winner 70%, Runner Up 30% (To the nearest £10 increment)

SIDE RULES

- Straddles - can only be done as a BB straddle (so by UTG) and then by UTG+1 - and can only be min raises. If one or both of these straddles have happened, no further straddling is allowed in that hand.

- Players may agree to "Run it Twice" where there is no more betting possible and there is more than £50 in the pot. Both or all players in the hand must agree to it and this must be done within an agreeable time - if there is too much discussion or indecision which is unduly affecting the length of time of the hand, the TD will veto the Run it Twice option and ask the dealer to complete the hand normally.

- Players do not have to show their cards if they do not wish when all in - unless they wish to claim the pot.

- Players at all times should be aware of the clock implications and not look to take undue time to make decisions or discuss hands/strategies "in play".

[AMRN]

Phase One:- (9am - Midnight)

That"s a seriously long session!

[Paulie_D]

Phase One:- (9am - Midnight)

That"s a seriously long session!

Fixed...

[Paulie_D]

At the end of the first phase, the eight most profitable players carry forward their total stacks to the final table. If any of the Top 8 do not wish to do so, places will be offered down in order, until we have 8 players for the Final Table.

How is this determined again, I must have missed it?

Player 1 spins £50 up to £100 [100% profit]

Player 2 spins £100 up to £200 [100% profit]

Who is the most profitable?

[MarkTheShark]

I guess its only the same if two players end up with the same chip stacks for the cutoff position(s) - which is the only position it materially affects.

In this instance I would rule that both would qualify for the FT as an exceptional circumstance, unless one wished to not play the FT of course.

[MarkTheShark]

p.s. Thanks (again) for the edit Paulie....theres always 1, no matter how many times i proof read it before posting!!!

[Paulie_D]

I guess its only the same if two players end up with the same chip stacks for the cutoff position(s) - which is the only position it materially affects.

Sorry...I must be missing something.

This would seem to say that it"s based on stack size. Even though they have made the same % profit, one has made more cash than the other which is fine if that"s the way you are going...

In this instance I would rule that both would qualify for the FT as an exceptional circumstance, unless one wished to not play the FT of course.

This would seem to indicate that it"s not based on stack size as they have made the same % profit.

[MarkTheShark]

I guess its only the same if two players end up with the same chip stacks for the cutoff position(s) - which is the only position it materially affects.

Sorry...I must be missing something.

This would seem to say that it"s based on stack size. Even though they have made the same % profit, one has made more cash than the other which is fine if that"s the way you are going...

In this instance I would rule that both would qualify for the FT as an exceptional circumstance, unless one wished to not play the FT of course.

This would seem to indicate that it"s not based on stack size as they have made the same % profit.

previous Legs have been "biggest stacks" that progress to the FT - participating and interested players have suggested that "most profit" is a fairer method - especially for Phase 1.

Your example or query of two equal profitable stacks but for differing amounts is only the same as if i had two players playing Leg 1 or 2 who finished up with the same stack sizes at the end of Phase 1 - say 2 players finished on £275 - who would qualify then.

I have said that for Leg 3 it will be profit - not stack size - so if there are 2 equal come the end of Phase 1, and these are the ones that decide the Final FT player, then i would rule both would qualify - which i would have done in Legs 1 and 2 where it was stack sizes not profit.

[Paulie_D]

Cool.

Thanks for that...it"s much clearer to me now.

[MintTrav]

I assumed Mark would say £100 profit > £50, so I"m a bit surprised by the answer.

Surely profit is measured in £? Percentage profit seems a precarious route to take. If someone doubles £50 to £100, where does that leave someone who starts on £200?

[AMRN]

I assumed Mark would say £100 profit > £50, so I"m a bit surprised by the answer.

Surely profit is measured in £? Percentage profit seems a precarious route to take. If someone doubles £50 to £100, where does that leave someone who starts on £200?

Agreed.

The only realistic measureables are Total Stack Size, or Most £ Won.   Percentage profit can only ever make things messy.

[MarkTheShark]

100 profit > £50,

Surely profit is measured in £? Percentage profit seems a precarious route to take. If someone doubles £50 to £100, where does that leave someone who starts on £200?



Was taken slightly off guard by the question posed - you are of course correct John. This will be the principle applied. My mistake for not thinking it through properly before answering Mr D.

[Paulie_D]

It seemed a logical question to me...the stack size answer would promote deeper play / full buy-in though.

It"s the pedant in me that says that if I make 100% profit and you only make 50%....then I"m better than you at making a profit regardless of the actual cash amount.

[Chipaccrual]

So, just to clarify where we are so that there is no more confusion.

The players that make the final phase will be based on the following formula :-




Where

B = Number of blue chips in play
s = Number of orbits where a player has joked about straddling
D = Number of Final Phase bubbles Dann Williams has achieved
H5 = Number of High Fives achieved whilst playing aces
E = Number of times Mark The Shark has explained the "concept" that evening
r = WCOAP Cash Champion Steve Redfern Coefficient
C = Number of seconds before the first clock is called

[Paulie_D]

r = WCOAP Cash Champion Steve Redfern Coefficient

I lol"ed. Literally.