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Hand of the Day #1
« on: August 18, 2013, 23:50:27 PM »
180 Man Turbo on Pokerstars. Final Table just started 9 players. Average stack is 30K

PokerStars Hand #102917450140: Tournament #775991127, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2013/08/18 19:24:20 WET [2013/08/18 14:24:20 ET]
Table "775991127 12" 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Bamroc (26116 in chips)
Seat 2: melcu_2010 (19002 in chips)
Seat 3: ultraribeira (22382 in chips)
Seat 4: The Mach!ne (57501 in chips)
Seat 5: 32dozari (41724 in chips)
Seat 6: 33teetwo33 (16319 in chips)
Seat 7: bestCR94 (15657 in chips)
Seat 8: Mikeylein454 (34426 in chips)
Seat 9: Hanzxx (36873 in chips)
Bamroc: posts the ante 250
melcu_2010: posts the ante 250
ultraribeira: posts the ante 250
The Mach!ne: posts the ante 250
32dozari: posts the ante 250
33teetwo33: posts the ante 250
bestCR94: posts the ante 250
Mikeylein454: posts the ante 250
Hanzxx: posts the ante 250
Mikeylein454: posts small blind 1250
Hanzxx: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33
Bamroc: folds
melcu_2010: folds
ultraribeira: raises 19632 to 22132 and is all-in
The Mach!ne: raises 35119 to 57251 and is all-in
32dozari: folds
33teetwo33:

Reads at the table.

Ultrabeira is playing 12/6 over only 17 hands. I don"t know him or have any info on him. Probably not a reg.

The Machine is playing 16/14 over 101 hands and seems to be quite position aware and understands hand ranges.

What is your range for calling here?
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2013, 00:04:13 AM »
Pretty narrow tbh

Prob QQ - AA only.

We have no fold equity obv, and ICM to consider.

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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2013, 07:17:27 AM »
Pretty hard to argue with Dan here. He"s got it spot on IMO.

This is probably the only spot in any game (that isn"t a satellite), that I fold JJ/AK with 6bbs!
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2013, 11:58:48 AM »
Im not folding AK here. Opener can jam 88-1010 and be isolated by AQ. Wouldn"t be loving it though.

Don"t think Jacks are a fold either. Not sure though.


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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2013, 12:22:23 PM »
 JJ Ak for me
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 14:02:38 PM »
Your current $EV is $27.33.

If you call, treble and ultrabeira is eliminated, your $EV only doubles to ~$54.88. Pretty easy to see you actually need 50% equity 3 way just to break even.

Giving ultrabeira a range of 22+,A8+,KJ+, QJ and Machine 66+, AQ+

JJ+ is a profitable calling range. Adding AKs or TT knocks you down to break even at best.
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 01:25:45 AM »
Glad I"m not the only one considering folding AK in this spot. Is The Mach!ne going to isolate from MP with AQ or worse? However our M is less than 2 and we could treble up giving us a better shot at wining. When you get to a final table do you know how well you are finishing?


Giving ultrabeira a range of 22+,A8+,KJ+, QJ and Machine 66+, AQ+

JJ+ is a profitable calling range. Adding AKs or TT knocks you down to break even at best.


Dwh103 - with ultrabeira having an M of 3.6 I think his range is a lot wider. I know it might be old fashioned but Harrington"s first to valour approach is still widely used even at final tables by average players and better. I think that range probably more applies to The Mach!ne?

Before making my decision I would consider how the two/three players two my left are responding to blind stealing and how often mine are being attacked. I know the final table has just started but you should have some info on this from the previous tables. Does it look like they are trying to ladder up? This is a good reason to watch the other tables when you get down to the last two or three tables left. If I"m not getting much resistance then lets wait and pick of more of those blinds. Otherwise it"s marginal and I don"t think anyone is going to complain to much if you put it in.

A very tough one and I"d like to see more people"s opinions on this :)

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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 03:05:52 AM »

Glad I"m not the only one considering folding AK in this spot. Is The Mach!ne going to isolate from MP with AQ or worse? However our M is less than 2 and we could treble up giving us a better shot at wining. When you get to a final table do you know how well you are finishing?


Giving ultrabeira a range of 22+,A8+,KJ+, QJ and Machine 66+, AQ+

JJ+ is a profitable calling range. Adding AKs or TT knocks you down to break even at best.


Dwh103 - with ultrabeira having an M of 3.6 I think his range is a lot wider. I know it might be old fashioned but Harrington"s first to valour approach is still widely used even at final tables by average players and better. I think that range probably more applies to The Mach!ne?

Before making my decision I would consider how the two/three players two my left are responding to blind stealing and how often mine are being attacked. I know the final table has just started but you should have some info on this from the previous tables. Does it look like they are trying to ladder up? This is a good reason to watch the other tables when you get down to the last two or three tables left. If I"m not getting much resistance then lets wait and pick of more of those blinds. Otherwise it"s marginal and I don"t think anyone is going to complain to much if you put it in.

A very tough one and I"d like to see more people"s opinions on this :)



Ultrabeira could indeed be wider - but if he"s a competent pushbotter it won"t be.

Even if you give ultrabeira any Ace, King, pair and broadway cards, then Machine 22+, A8+, KJ+, QJ - this only adds 99, TT and AK to a ICM breakeven calling range.

If the table was only calling with top 5% (99+, AQ), then ultrabeira can profitably jam that range according to an ICM pushbot. They definitely won"t be though, make it a 7.5% calling range (88, ATs+, AJo+, KQs) and whilst there some hands outside the original range of 22+,A8+,KJ+,QJ that are +$EV (i.e. suited Ace-wheel and some s/c), most of those show a <1% ROI.

Don"t think Machine"s range will be as wide as you think though, with 5 players still to act afterwards and massive ICM considerations on his part. Moral of the story being that ICM will constrain both Machine and Hero if making +$EV decisions is your game.
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 10:42:55 AM »
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Ultrabeira is playing 12/6 over only 17 hands. I don"t know him or have any info on him. Probably not a reg


raised 1 hand out of 17 = fold JJ AK maybe even QQ especially if the reads on The Machine are correct imho.

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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2013, 12:15:02 PM »
fwiw

I called it off with AK and got there against two underpairs but thought it was pretty terrible on reflection.
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 14:18:26 PM »

fwiw

I called it off with AK and got there against two underpairs but thought it was pretty terrible on reflection.


I think it"s totally fine, I can"t ever justify a folding AK with 6.5BBs and a chance to more than treble up.
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013, 19:00:07 PM »


fwiw

I called it off with AK and got there against two underpairs but thought it was pretty terrible on reflection.


I think it"s totally fine, I can"t ever justify a folding AK with 6.5BBs and a chance to more than treble up.

OK terrible is not the right word, calling is actually a very small mistake but I guess it is a mistake.
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Re: Hand of the Day #1
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2013, 23:39:12 PM »
Too many times in this spot you"ll be up against any Ax and a pocket pair so I"m often just seeing AK as Ace high with one less out to hit. Would much rather get my chips in first or against one opponent. 6.5 BB"s though is a tough ask to lay down there.
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