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TheSnapper

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Re: Shove or take free flop Here?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2013, 14:53:39 PM »

PokerStars Hand #103784639521: Tournament #784850101, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2013/09/07 14:16:55 WET [2013/09/07 9:16:55 ET]
Table "784850101 8" 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: 33teetwo33 (2155 in chips)
Seat 2: iRaiseProffs (1370 in chips)
Seat 3: simakos (1966 in chips)
Seat 5: dmitiy804 (5115 in chips)
Seat 6: aggenebes (1840 in chips)
Seat 7: ShtikTZ (1486 in chips)
Seat 8: Shigap (1568 in chips)
Seat 9: vicioncic (1830 in chips)
vicioncic: posts small blind 50
33teetwo33: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 [8c 8s]
iRaiseProffs: folds
simakos: folds
dmitiy804: calls 100
aggenebes: folds
ShtikTZ: folds
Shigap: calls 100
vicioncic: calls 50
33teetwo33:

I know one of the limpers will sometimes call lighter.



Is this a turbo structure? changes this spot completely if so.

Do we have any reads on the limpers? particularly first in who has some decent results and looks to be a reg in these games.
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Re: Shove or take free flop Here?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2013, 17:57:30 PM »


PokerStars Hand #103784639521: Tournament #784850101, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2013/09/07 14:16:55 WET [2013/09/07 9:16:55 ET]
Table "784850101 8" 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: 33teetwo33 (2155 in chips)
Seat 2: iRaiseProffs (1370 in chips)
Seat 3: simakos (1966 in chips)
Seat 5: dmitiy804 (5115 in chips)
Seat 6: aggenebes (1840 in chips)
Seat 7: ShtikTZ (1486 in chips)
Seat 8: Shigap (1568 in chips)
Seat 9: vicioncic (1830 in chips)
vicioncic: posts small blind 50
33teetwo33: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 [8c 8s]
iRaiseProffs: folds
simakos: folds
dmitiy804: calls 100
aggenebes: folds
ShtikTZ: folds
Shigap: calls 100
vicioncic: calls 50
33teetwo33:

I know one of the limpers will sometimes call lighter.



Is this a turbo structure? changes this spot completely if so.

Do we have any reads on the limpers? particularly first in who has some decent results and looks to be a reg in these games.

I have a note on the original limper saying he "may call light" if that helps.
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Re: Shove or take free flop Here?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2013, 19:08:33 PM »


I have a note on the original limper saying he "may call light" if that helps.


It"s unusual for a decent reg to open limp, what is his limping range, does he open limp often?

If as I suspect, this is a turbo, in <5 mins we have 15 bb"s, we don"t really have a lot of opportunity to find a better spot but that has to be weighed against the likelihood of mp1 open limper having us crushed.

Mp1 has 4x 15-18bb stacks on his direct left and if decent could very well be limp trapping a monster. If mp1 is a passive 18/8 I jam whereas versus a more aggro 18/16 I"d be cautious and see a flop with a no set no bet plan.
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Re: Shove or take free flop Here?
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 21:21:47 PM »
Whatever DWH says.
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Re: Shove or take free flop Here?
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2013, 21:25:11 PM »
More like 14% but still shove to pick up the pot.
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Re: Shove or take free flop Here?
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2013, 07:14:48 AM »

More like 14% but still shove to pick up the pot.

Sorry I don"t see how it is anything like 14% there are 400 chips in the pot and I have 2055 behind to be exact it is 19.46%. Which is near enough 20% which to me is making this a really good shoving spot.
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