APAT Glasgow Discussion

[MintTrav]

I"ll take that as confirmation that the transfer is being allowed. I have held off posting this until the transfer went through as it is not meant as an attempt to stop Gordon having Eck"s seat.

Maybe I misunderstood how the reservation system works. I thought the whole point of it was that you blocked a seat so no-one else could buy it but, if you didn"t play, you forfeited the £5 and the seat became available to everyone again. I didn"t think that someone could block a seat, decide not to play and then pass the reservation on to someone else of their choosing and not be out of pocket at all. If passing reservations around is allowed, then imo that is another reason to scrap the reservation idea totally and just have full buy-ins.

To clarify, I don"t have an issue with Gordon having Eck"s seat. In fact, let him have it as it appears that the rules weren"t clear. But could they be clarified for the future, cos I understood them differently to how they are being applied. Or, best option of all, scrap the reservations entirely.

[IrishTom]

Hey John, no I cannot confirm this at present (and therefore have not updated/changed the list of attendees) - as I"m new to this I"m playing catch up and looking for clarification and will be posting a decision asap - but I personally believe you are correct in that it cannot be transferred and would therefore be on sale on the day when the "reserve a seat person" failed to register on time at the venue.  However, as we"ve been informed in advance then this could go on "general sale" on a first-come-first-served basis in advance if indeed the EB person confirms they are happy for us to do this - but as said, will confirm once I can investigate further - that will be tomorrow.

[IrishTom]

Wot a shambles

jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:

Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite

Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online

I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles?  or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.

Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.

Regards/Tom

[GiMac]

I"ll take that as confirmation that the transfer is being allowed. I have held off posting this until the transfer went through as it is not meant as an attempt to stop Gordon having Eck"s seat.

Maybe I misunderstood how the reservation system works. I thought the whole point of it was that you blocked a seat so no-one else could buy it but, if you didn"t play, you forfeited the £5 and the seat became available to everyone again. I didn"t think that someone could block a seat, decide not to play and then pass the reservation on to someone else of their choosing and not be out of pocket at all. If passing reservations around is allowed, then imo that is another reason to scrap the reservation idea totally and just have full buy-ins.

To clarify, I don"t have an issue with Gordon having Eck"s seat. In fact, let him have it as it appears that the rules weren"t clear. But could they be clarified for the future, cos I understood them differently to how they are being applied. Or, best option of all, scrap the reservations entirely.

Tbh I agree with you John but I believe a precedent was set earlier in the week when someone was allowed to transfer their reservation to another player.

[suzanne]

It was done for Cardiff

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0

[MintTrav]

Hey John, no I cannot confirm this at present (and therefore have not updated/changed the list of attendees) - as I"m new to this I"m playing catch up and looking for clarification and will be posting a decision asap - but I personally believe you are correct in that it cannot be transferred and would therefore be on sale on the day when the "reserve a seat person" failed to register on time at the venue.  However, as we"ve been informed in advance then this could go on "general sale" on a first-come-first-served basis in advance if indeed the EB person confirms they are happy for us to do this - but as said, will confirm once I can investigate further - that will be tomorrow.

Oh. I thought it was done. Can I time-delay my post then? As it has happened a couple of times already, I"m gonna feel pretty guilty if this one isn"t allowed.

[Eck]

I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.

I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.

Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?

Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.

Thanks Eck.

Bottle of Buckfast on ice will be waiting him.  

I said buy him a drink not spoil him....

[GiMac]

I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.

I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.

Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?

Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.

Thanks Eck.

Bottle of Buckfast on ice will be waiting him.  

I said buy him a drink not spoil him....

Tennants Super it is then, sorry Tom.  

[jockey]

Wot a shambles

jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:

Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite

Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online

I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles?  or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.

Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.

Regards/Tom

 hi tom,shambles was not aimed at you or your good work,i know that it is not easy trying to please everyone.Shambles was aimed at the numerous different threads & comments.I actually reserved my seat some while ago.Looking forward to seeing you in Glasgow. regards barry

[IrishTom]

Wot a shambles

jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:

Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite

Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online

I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles?  or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.

Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.

Regards/Tom

 hi tom,shambles was not aimed at you or your good work,i know that it is not easy trying to please everyone.Shambles was aimed at the numerous different threads & comments.I actually reserved my seat some while ago.Looking forward to seeing you in Glasgow. regards barry

oh no worries mate - whether I take it personal or not if there"s a problem I need to sort then I just need to identify what it is - look forward to meeting you in Glasgow

[Sef]

Yeah the reserve transfer has happened already for Glasgow and I see Cardiff aswell. FWIW I don"t see the difference between swapping reserves and the seat exchange of full buy ins. Both seem fine to me.

[hi_am_chris]

Fwiw i wasn"t allowed to do this for Coventry, also slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending  but won a seat in the sat. Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?

[GiMac]

---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending  but won a seat in the sat.

Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.

Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?

Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.

[AJDUK]

I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.

To cover costs of administering a seat reservation system was the original reason IIRC

[GiMac]

I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.

To cover costs of administering a seat reservation system was the original reason IIRC

Yea I thought it was something like that, thanks fella.