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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #225 on: December 06, 2013, 14:25:16 PM »
T4 S6 ENG   Carl Pilgrim all in Ac Kh 2500

called by S1 CZH   Jakub Mazur 9d 9c

Qd 2h 7h Jd Qc

We lose ENG   Carl Pilgrim in 6th position

T4 now HU

CZH   Jakub Mazur   35000

SVK   Ela Kubiucaia   5000




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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #226 on: December 06, 2013, 14:25:34 PM »



Just caught up.

Completely agree with all who said chips should remain in play. Once his money has been paid his chips stay on the table. It"s a disservice to the Swiss team, but also we have a precedent from the day before and on top of that, what"s to stop another player turning up and not bothering to play?

Just because he"s not in the building doesn"t stop his chips from playing.


Agree with this also, but no point in our derailing the live update thread on the topic. 

I"d like to think his chips will go into play in the later phases with the exception of any heads up events, where it would be completely unreasonable on his opponent.

I would also add that due to the lack of intervention from the Swiss captain prior to that phase starting, the decision to award the team no points for the absent player should stand without question.


I"m sorry, but that just doesn"t sit right with me. Just because the Swiss captain didn"t know enough to speak up (or felt unable) doesn"t mean it shouldn"t be pointed out. Basically telling us to shut up and leave it doesn"t make it go away, but I"m happy to hear it will be made right for the rest of the series. 


I agree with your view completely Dawn, but in doing so don"t believe there"s any remedy for what happened.  The decision can"t be changed now and it shouldn"t bring the tournament into disrepute. 

I guess what I"m saying is there isn"t a point in derailing the live update with everyone weighing in with the same opinion, because the precedent was indeed set yesterday, and I"d say we were all in agreement. :)

I"m not in Prague, but have discussed briefly with Tom and the player"s chips will be in play going forward. 

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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #227 on: December 06, 2013, 14:26:43 PM »





Just caught up.

Completely agree with all who said chips should remain in play. Once his money has been paid his chips stay on the table. It"s a disservice to the Swiss team, but also we have a precedent from the day before and on top of that, what"s to stop another player turning up and not bothering to play?

Just because he"s not in the building doesn"t stop his chips from playing.


Agree with this also, but no point in our derailing the live update thread on the topic. 

I"d like to think his chips will go into play in the later phases with the exception of any heads up events, where it would be completely unreasonable on his opponent.

I would also add that due to the lack of intervention from the Swiss captain prior to that phase starting, the decision to award the team no points for the absent player should stand without question.


I"m sorry, but that just doesn"t sit right with me. Just because the Swiss captain didn"t know enough to speak up (or felt unable) doesn"t mean it shouldn"t be pointed out. Basically telling us to shut up and leave it doesn"t make it go away, but I"m happy to hear it will be made right for the rest of the series. 


He was removed by TD and myself - he got 0 pts - cannot go back now - I will NOT put his chips in play for the MTT unless Des overrules that and says "put them in play"


Errr Tom, I"m pretty sure that APATAdmin = Des   ;D


I know mate - let"s just be 100% sure of "what we are doing" (2 people can"t make the decision - happy for it to be Des) - then move on
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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #228 on: December 06, 2013, 14:26:54 PM »
Table 5 - Fedor pushes his final 4000 chips with  Kh Qh.  He is called by Tom (Bel) with  A s Qd

5c 7c 8c 3h 3c

Fedor out in 5th

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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #229 on: December 06, 2013, 14:30:39 PM »
I"m sure Des didn"t tell anyone to shut up, just to leave it on this thread, as it is detracting from what has been an excellent updating effort from the guys :)

Another thread for this discussion is definitely needed tho IMO
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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #230 on: December 06, 2013, 14:32:27 PM »
Table 4 showdown - Jakub (Czech) against Ela (Slo)

Jakub shows  Qd Jd

Ela shows  Ad 3h

9h 6h Js Jh 8d

Jakub wins the table - well played

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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #231 on: December 06, 2013, 14:32:54 PM »
EUROPEAN AMATEUR TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP Phase 4 12:00 FRI 6TH DEC 2013 5 X NLHE 8-HANDED STTs

UPDATED TO

Table/Seat   Team   Player   Stack   Pos   Points
T1S1   IRE   Frank Bailie       0
T1S2   ENG   Richard Baker       0
T1S3   GER   Alex Muhlbauer     6th   2
T1S4   SCO   Tom Clark     5th   3
T1S5   FRA   Ginaudo Clement     7th   1
T1S6   SWI   Besim Hot     8th   0
T1S7   BEL   Christoff Gebruers       0
T1S8   CZH   Mario Bures     4th   4
         
Table/Seat   Team   Player   Stack   Pos   Points
T2S1   IRE   John Murray     8th   0
T2S2   SVK   Petra Fedorova       0
T2S3   ENG   Tony Trippier       0
T2S4   ITA   Luca Cannella       0
T2S5   SCO   Gordon McArthur       0
T2S6   BEL   Jan Kusters       0
T2S7   GER   Juergen Bachmann       0
T2S8   CZH   Vitek Pesta     7th   1
         
Table   Team   Player   Stack   Pos   Points
T3S1   SVK   Eva Mendelova     7th   1
T3S2   ITA   Maggisano Giuseppe     8th   0
T3S3   SCO   Clare Duffy       0
T3S4   BEL   Jerry Vanbyck       0
T3S5   SWI   Markus       0
T3S6   ENG   Paul Haycock       0
T3S7   GER   Stephan Kalhamer     6th   2
T3S8   FRA   Florian Moreau       0
         
Table/Seat   Team   Player   Stack   Pos   Points
T4S1   CZH   Jakub Mazur     1st   8
T4S2   GER   Matze Weigert     5th   3
T4S3   IRE   Ger Smyth     6th   2
T4S4   SVK   Ela Kubiucaia     2nd   6
T4S5   SWI   Marc Horisberger     8th   0
T4S6   ENG   Carl Pilgrim     3rd   5
T4S7   ITA   Gabriel Iemmito     7th   1
T4S8   FRA   Tedy Demolon     4th   4
         
Table   Team   Player   Stack   Pos   Points
T5S1   FRA   Gargis Guillsume       0
T5S2   CZH   Petr Toman     7th   1
T5S3   ITA   Luigi Belleri     8th   0
T5S4   SWI   Mayr Andre       0
T5S5   SVK   Fedor Stadtrucker     5th   3
T5S6   IRE   Kev O"Hanlon     6th   2
T5S7   SCO   James Ellis       0
T5S8   BEL   Tom Slikboer       0

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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #232 on: December 06, 2013, 14:33:11 PM »



  Phase 1   Phase 2   Phase 3   Phase 4   Phase 5     Total
             
Germany   26   22   16   7   0     71
Belgium   13   15   16   0   0     44
Slovakia   7   24   12   10   0     53
England   16   18   8   5   0     47
Scotland   24   13   4   3   0     44
Ireland   19   14   4   4   0     41
France   18   10   4   5   0     37
Czech Republic   6   14   4   14   0     38
Switzerland   6   12   4   0   0     22
Italy   10   3   8   1   0     22



  Phase 1   Phase 2   Phase 3   Phase 4   Phase 5     Total
             
Alex Muhlbauer (GER)   8   8   4   2   0     22
Clare Duffy (SCO)   8   6   4   0   0     18
Matze Weigert (GER)   8   5   4   3   0     20
Ginaudo Clement (FRA)   8   8   0   1   0     17
Stephan Kalhamer (GER)   6   5   4   2   0     17
Carl Pilgrim (ENG)   4   6   4   5   0     19
Kev O"Hanlon (IRE)   8   5   0   2   0     15
Fedor Stadtrucker (SVK)   1   8   4   3   0     16
Jerry Vanbyck (BEL)   3   5   4   0   0     12
Jan Kusters (BEL)   3   5   4   0   0     12
Tony Trippier (ENG)   6   6   0   0   0     12
Juergen Bachmann (GER)   4   4   4   0   0     12
Petra Fedorova (SVK)   4   4   4   0   0     12
Richard Baker (ENG)   3   4   4   0   0     11
Marc Horisberger (SWI)   3   8   0   0   0     11
Christoff Gebruers (BEL)   5   1   4   0   0     10
Tom Slikboer (BEL)   2   4   4   0   0     10
John Murray (IRE)   6   4   0   0   0     10
Ela Kubiucaia (SVK)   0   6   4   6   0     16
Gargis Guillsume (FRA)   4   1   4   0   0     9
Gabriel Iemmito (ITA)   2   3   4   1   0     10
Mario Bures (CZH)   0   8   0   4   0     12
Jakub Mazur (CZH)   5   3   0   8   0     16
Frank Bailie (IRE)   1   3   4   0   0     8
James Ellis (SCO)   5   3   0   0   0     8
Tom Clark (SCO)   6   2   0   3   0     11
Eva Mendelova (SVK)   2   6   0   1   0     9
Gordon McArthur (SCO)   5   2   0   0   0     7
Markus (SWI)   2   1   4   0   0     7
Tedy Demolon (FRA)   5   1   0   4   0     10
Ger Smyth (IRE)   4   2   0   2   0     8
Maggisano Giuseppe (ITA)   6   0   0   0   0     6
Paul Haycock (ENG)   3   2   0   0   0     5
Petr Toman (CZH)   0   0   4   1   0     5
Vitek Pesta (CZH)   1   3   0   1   0     5
Luca Cannella (ITA)   0   0   4   0   0     4
Luigi Belleri (ITA)   2   0   0   0   0     2
Mayr Andre (SWI)   1   1   0   0   0     2
Besim Hot (SWI)   0   2   0   0   0     2
Florian Moreau (FRA)   1   0   0   0   0     1

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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #233 on: December 06, 2013, 14:34:22 PM »

I"m sure Des didn"t tell anyone to shut up, just to leave it on this thread, as it is detracting from what has been an excellent updating effort from the guys :)

Another thread for this discussion is definitely needed tho IMO


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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #234 on: December 06, 2013, 14:35:40 PM »
4 Belgians still in

3 English

3 Scots

1 German

1 Irish

2 French

1 Swiss

1 Czech

1 Slovak

1 Italian (I think)


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« Reply #235 on: December 06, 2013, 14:37:58 PM »
4 Belgians still in.  That"s got to see them close the gap on the German team.

Looks like the MTT is going to be a real decider.

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« Reply #236 on: December 06, 2013, 14:40:09 PM »

4 Belgians still in.  That"s got to see them close the gap on the German team.

Looks like the MTT is going to be a real decider.


and 3 Scottish - gonna be very close at the top
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« Reply #237 on: December 06, 2013, 14:41:59 PM »


4 Belgians still in.  That"s got to see them close the gap on the German team.

Looks like the MTT is going to be a real decider.


and 3 Scottish - gonna be very close at the top


and 3 English
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« Reply #238 on: December 06, 2013, 14:42:46 PM »



  Phase 1   Phase 2   Phase 3   Phase 4   Phase 5     Total
             
Germany   26   22   16   7   0     71
Belgium   13   15   16   0   0     44
Slovakia   7   24   12   10   0     53
England   16   18   8   5   0     47
Scotland   24   13   4   3   0     44
Ireland   19   14   4   4   0     41
France   18   10   4   5   0     37
Czech Republic   6   14   4   14   0     38
Switzerland   6   12   4   0   0     22
Italy   10   3   8   1   0     22



  Phase 1   Phase 2   Phase 3   Phase 4   Phase 5     Total
             
Alex Muhlbauer (GER)   8   8   4   2   0     22
Clare Duffy (SCO)   8   6   4   0   0     18
Matze Weigert (GER)   8   5   4   3   0     20
Ginaudo Clement (FRA)   8   8   0   1   0     17
Stephan Kalhamer (GER)   6   5   4   2   0     17
Carl Pilgrim (ENG)   4   6   4   5   0     19
Kev O"Hanlon (IRE)   8   5   0   2   0     15
Fedor Stadtrucker (SVK)   1   8   4   3   0     16
Jerry Vanbyck (BEL)   3   5   4   0   0     12
Jan Kusters (BEL)   3   5   4   0   0     12
Tony Trippier (ENG)   6   6   0   0   0     12
Juergen Bachmann (GER)   4   4   4   0   0     12
Petra Fedorova (SVK)   4   4   4   0   0     12
Richard Baker (ENG)   3   4   4   0   0     11
Marc Horisberger (SWI)   3   8   0   0   0     11
Christoff Gebruers (BEL)   5   1   4   0   0     10
Tom Slikboer (BEL)   2   4   4   0   0     10
John Murray (IRE)   6   4   0   0   0     10
Ela Kubiucaia (SVK)   0   6   4   6   0     16
Gargis Guillsume (FRA)   4   1   4   0   0     9
Gabriel Iemmito (ITA)   2   3   4   1   0     10
Mario Bures (CZH)   0   8   0   4   0     12
Jakub Mazur (CZH)   5   3   0   8   0     16
Frank Bailie (IRE)   1   3   4   0   0     8
James Ellis (SCO)   5   3   0   0   0     8
Tom Clark (SCO)   6   2   0   3   0     11
Eva Mendelova (SVK)   2   6   0   1   0     9
Gordon McArthur (SCO)   5   2   0   0   0     7
Markus (SWI)   2   1   4   0   0     7
Tedy Demolon (FRA)   5   1   0   4   0     10
Ger Smyth (IRE)   4   2   0   2   0     8
Maggisano Giuseppe (ITA)   6   0   0   0   0     6
Paul Haycock (ENG)   3   2   0   0   0     5
Petr Toman (CZH)   0   0   4   1   0     5
Vitek Pesta (CZH)   1   3   0   1   0     5
Luca Cannella (ITA)   0   0   4   0   0     4
Luigi Belleri (ITA)   2   0   0   0   0     2
Mayr Andre (SWI)   1   1   0   0   0     2
Besim Hot (SWI)   0   2   0   0   0     2
Florian Moreau (FRA)   1   0   0   0   0     1

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Re: ECOAP 2013 Updates
« Reply #239 on: December 06, 2013, 14:43:50 PM »
Table 1 - Rich (Eng) all in with 7000 after seeing the flop with  10s 3h

5h  10h 8s

Christoff (Bel) calls with  6c 8h

turn   5c

river  8d

Christoff on fire - Richard out