WCOAP TEAM EVENT

[s4ooter]

TBH i think the format of the Forum Game requires more skill than the International Games.

An MTT requires constant thought process as factors and dynamics change so quickly with stack sizes, players left in your team players left in other teams, seat draws etc.

The international events, being shallow sngs including turbos basically come down to "who flips best" once the first few blind levels are through.

The point allocations available also means the latter stages completely lose the poker in them.

Then you have the heads up matches as a BO1?

Maybe if the HU were one game where each player gets a lammer, then that would help.  But again, these are just who flips best as well.

[Paulie_D]

I love the heads up matches for the medals.

I think it adds so much tension and emotion to the end of the event for those involved.

It first happened by absolute chance in Luton, when Poland and France were tied on points, but I think when APAT have run them for more recent events, they have been superb to watch.

Heads Up is just the purest form on the game, and what a way to decide things.

Playing for two long days across many events, to have the final prize decided by a potential single hand cooler or coin flip  - I hate the HU medal matches.

Not often I agree with Steve ...but this is definitely one of those occasions.

Sure the HU matches add excitement for the crowd but they do nothing for a team that may have walked all over the opposition in every other event only to have the gold ripped from their grasp by what could be a single hand.

[Sugar_Free]

I love the heads up matches for the medals.

I think it adds so much tension and emotion to the end of the event for those involved.

It first happened by absolute chance in Luton, when Poland and France were tied on points, but I think when APAT have run them for more recent events, they have been superb to watch.

Heads Up is just the purest form on the game, and what a way to decide things.

Playing for two long days across many events, to have the final prize decided by a potential single hand cooler or coin flip  - I hate the HU medal matches.

Not often I agree with Steve ...but this is definitely one of those occasions.

Sure the HU matches add excitement for the crowd but they do nothing for a team that may have walked all over the opposition in every other event only to have the gold ripped from their grasp by what could be a single hand.

Wouldn"t they still win 4-1?

[s4ooter]

Like we did with the Bronze in the HIs

[fandango]

Been a great discussion so far, have to agree with what a lot of members have already stated about selection process..

100% that players who have topped rankings for their country gets first pick, if the player wants to decline the invitation and concentrate on POTY then it"s their choice..

As Steve pointed out Asa, Tony and myself where rewarded with a slot because of just this fact.

Like the idea that the country who wins can choose to enter a separate squad and invite the reigning champions to return and defend their title. I realise that England and Scotland can probably field 2 teams if this was allowed due to player pool, but if say Italy, Ireland won they would probably field the same team that one previously anyways.

Also just for a idea, like the thought of having gold stars on shirts of nations who have won, a little like world cup shirts  

As DuffyI mentioned we chatted to Tom in Prague, and he was telling us about how they invite the reigning champs back in a season tourney in the LPPL, and that seems to work just fine.

[TheSnapper]

as a system, it would be totally unfair to the England player pool, many of whom might significantly out-perform Welsh, Irish, or Scottish players over the course of the season, but due to the sheer volume, they wouldn"t get a place.

Are you trying to make a point that "having many players who significantly out-perform Welsh, Irish, or Scottish players yet can"t get in your team" is somehow a disadvantage?

[TheSnapper]

Like the idea that the country who wins can choose to enter a separate squad and invite the reigning champions to return and defend their title.

If you were to hear that Spain in 2014 world cup and New Zealand in 2015 Rugby world cup would both be bringing two separate teams to contest these prestige events,

would you consider that a positive change?

[fandango]

Like the idea that the country who wins can choose to enter a separate squad and invite the reigning champions to return and defend their title.

If you were to hear that Spain in 2014 world cup and New Zealand in 2015 Rugby world cup would both be bringing two separate teams to contest these prestige events,

would you consider that a positive change?

Comparing APAT/LPPL to the World cup and Rugby World cup may be a little "extreme".. But I know in other amateur sports like Pool, and darts this concept works so I consider this a positive change yes.

Personally wouldn"t bother me, infact I would relish the opportunity to try and dethrone the reigning champs especially if they where Scottish   ...

[s4ooter]

Running a "Team" element, open to all, at the Worlds is a great idea.
Teams are submitted, with a minimum of 5, max of 10.
You name your selected "4" for each side event, and these are the only players that can score points.
People can make there own teams, from friends and encourage more newbies to come.
Teams pay a flat entry fee

Isn"t this just an extension / slight alteration to the "Forum" Team Championships format which will be in held in Stoke?

The ECOAP / WCOAP Team events are, and should be, teams representing their countries.

Was just offering this an addition, not a replacement.  Trying to find was to encourage more newbies to get involved in the festival.

[Paulie_D]

Running a "Team" element, open to all, at the Worlds is a great idea.
Teams are submitted, with a minimum of 5, max of 10.
You name your selected "4" for each side event, and these are the only players that can score points.
People can make there own teams, from friends and encourage more newbies to come.
Teams pay a flat entry fee

Isn"t this just an extension / slight alteration to the "Forum" Team Championships format which will be in held in Stoke?

The ECOAP / WCOAP Team events are, and should be, teams representing their countries.

Was just offering this an addition, not a replacement.  Trying to find was to encourage more newbies to get involved in the festival.

I understand that but some people are already complaining about the number of team events and this would be yet another.

I don"t think it"s a bad idea, in fact I would prefer it to the Forum event,  but it isn"t the subject of this thread.

By all means suggest it to IrishTom, if you don"t, I will file off the serial numbers and claim the idea as my own.

Oh, wait!  :-)

[s4ooter]

Running a "Team" element, open to all, at the Worlds is a great idea.
Teams are submitted, with a minimum of 5, max of 10.
You name your selected "4" for each side event, and these are the only players that can score points.
People can make there own teams, from friends and encourage more newbies to come.
Teams pay a flat entry fee

Isn"t this just an extension / slight alteration to the "Forum" Team Championships format which will be in held in Stoke?

The ECOAP / WCOAP Team events are, and should be, teams representing their countries.

Was just offering this an addition, not a replacement.  Trying to find was to encourage more newbies to get involved in the festival.

I understand that but some people are already complaining about the number of team events and this would be yet another.

I don"t think it"s a bad idea, in fact I would prefer it to the Forum event,  but it isn"t the subject of this thread.

By all means suggest it to IrishTom, if you don"t, I will file off the serial numbers and claim the idea as my own.

Oh, wait!  :-)

I quite agree with you

May post a seperate thread to bat ideas from one another, as think this would increase footfall to the WCOAPs and make it even more awesome,

Seems to work for the Goliath!!

[TheSnapper]

Comparing APAT/LPPL to the World cup and Rugby World cup may be a little "extreme".. But I know in other amateur sports like Pool, and darts this concept works so I consider this a positive change yes.

It is an extreme comparison yes

I just don"t think the second team idea fits long term with most of the participating teams resources.

[Duffy]

Like the idea that the country who wins can choose to enter a separate squad and invite the reigning champions to return and defend their title.

If you were to hear that Spain in 2014 world cup and New Zealand in 2015 Rugby world cup would both be bringing two separate teams to contest these prestige events,

would you consider that a positive change?

Comparing APAT/LPPL to the World cup and Rugby World cup may be a little "extreme".. But I know in other amateur sports like Pool, and darts this concept works so I consider this a positive change yes.

Personally wouldn"t bother me, infact I would relish the opportunity to try and dethrone the reigning champs especially if they where Scottish   ...

So many digs at us kilted warriors Carl.i.am hahaha

[Curlarge]

Like the idea that the country who wins can choose to enter a separate squad and invite the reigning champions to return and defend their title.

If you were to hear that Spain in 2014 world cup and New Zealand in 2015 Rugby world cup would both be bringing two separate teams to contest these prestige events,

would you consider that a positive change?

Comparing APAT/LPPL to the World cup and Rugby World cup may be a little "extreme".. But I know in other amateur sports like Pool, and darts this concept works so I consider this a positive change yes.

Personally wouldn"t bother me, infact I would relish the opportunity to try and dethrone the reigning champs especially if they where Scottish   ...

So many digs at us kilted warriors Carl.i.am hahaha

Men in skirts..........tomato/tomato  

[HERBIEHACKIT]

having looked at all the comments on this, feel i want to have my say. team selection is and has too be the captains choice. to introduce a selection on ranking points is a joke. its like the fa saying the top 11 performing players on ranking or .... and these are the playings going to the world cup.
also a ranking system ignores some issues, like players putting individual events before country. shame on them, do you think a footballer who put himself before country would ever play for said country again?
A ranking system does not allow for players in my situation. when this season dates were announced they were a disaster for me as i am working all but the english champs (which i played). unlike most of you i do not get to select my holidays, i am told when i am off. having said that, i got a phone call from gordon saying he was finding it hard to get a scottish team together and would i play. now for those of you who do not know me. I have in the past had a successful motorcycle racing career, played football to high level and tennis at club level. I have a trophy cabinet bursting with trophies, including a bronze replica from the iom tt races. But just being asked to rep scotland was one of my proudest moments and pulling on that blue jersey well to say i was bursting with pride would be an understatement. As for receiving a bronze in prague, for me the greatest moment ever, including my tt success. so i said yes. i travelled and played in both the home nations and european games. in both these events i was unable to play the main events as i had to return home for work and i would do the same again. country before individual and if you do not think that way shame on you, you do not warrent your countrys shirt. as for me i would sell my soul to the devil for scotland.