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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #135 on: December 17, 2013, 21:40:27 PM »


What does the captain have to do besides pick the team as things currently stand?




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« Reply #136 on: December 17, 2013, 21:43:42 PM »
Ty was wondering how much decision making they had to do in the tournament or whether all the sit n gos and tournys were random

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« Reply #137 on: December 17, 2013, 22:05:25 PM »
Sngs are random
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #138 on: December 17, 2013, 22:51:24 PM »

Sngs are random


If they are random then that is a recent change and a backward step imho.
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #139 on: December 17, 2013, 23:14:50 PM »


Sngs are random


If they are random then that is a recent change and a backward step imho.


They aren"t random - captains choose tables knowing the country layout. If that changed recently it will change back for world"s.
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« Reply #140 on: December 17, 2013, 23:18:16 PM »
Well euros was either random or done incorrectly. I had England A directly on my left in 5/6 sngs. With 7 players that can"t be correct? If correct pretty poor.

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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #141 on: December 17, 2013, 23:34:00 PM »



What does the captain have to do besides pick the team as things currently stand?




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  • strategically position players in SnG"s

  • pick players for HU matches

  • Create and maintain a winning attitude






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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #142 on: December 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM »

Well euros was either random or done incorrectly. I had England A directly on my left in 5/6 sngs. With 7 players that can"t be correct? If correct pretty poor.

Never mind tho


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« Reply #143 on: December 18, 2013, 12:51:35 PM »
The seat draw is randim, the captain then assigns players into them seats.
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« Reply #144 on: December 18, 2013, 14:41:13 PM »
I can"t speak for the recent UKCOAP event as I believe they had a bit of a laptop meltdown, and Mark & Des had to reconstruct on the fly.

In previous events, the seat draws for Sit n Go"s are constructed in the following way.

The seat draw is set out using generic team names, i.e. Team 1, Team 2, Team 3 to ensure that each team has a player located in a balanced seating formation throughout the tournament.

The teams are then randomly assigned a generic team position.

Captains then allocate players as they see fit with only the knowledge of the other countries seating positions prior to each phase.


On occasion, we have dabbled with "country cards", especially if there are a smaller number of teams.  In this case, the captains would allocate each player to a match (which is pretty irrelevant really), and then players would select a random seating position on that table.


Both FIFA and UEFA have now adopted APAT's draw protocol"s, which would explain why Dan may have been sat next to an England A player on so many occasions. ;)

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« Reply #145 on: December 18, 2013, 23:37:00 PM »
This has been a really good thread to follow guys and it"s nice to see the passion coming through.

The official line on the key questions in the thread as they relate to WCOAP 2014 are:-

- Team Size

We have to go with four members.  I"ve spoken at length to the captain of every country who has taken part in our international team competitions since we launched them in Brighton in 2008.  On the whole, the European countries struggle to find the quantity of runners required to meet the expenses and cover for late drop outs etc.  So to protect the integrity of the event, we have had to move back to four.  Wish we didn"t, but we need to get back to making as many good decisions as we can, and moving to four players per team is one.

- Defending Champions re-enter

I"m open on this, albeit with the decrease in team size I guess it"s not such a question now.  I"m a fan of the captain being able to decide his / her line up as that is part of the challenge of being a captain that is equal amongst all teams - whatever their catchment area. That said it makes sense for the rankings to determine some of the places where applicable.  We"ll look at this again for next year - this year it is solely down to the captain.

However the teams are selected, there would not be the opportunity for an England "B" team to enter if England were the defending Champions.  That would be a complete non starter for APAT - each country should only have one competing team in the event.

- Scheduling of team event.

It"s very difficult to schedule this event anywhere other than the two days prior to the main event.  That gives the European players the opportunity to play both and the only other solution I can think of would be to run the team event following the main event.  That would take just those players and the organisers into a new week and that would be very complicated for those with work etc.  Aside from that we could potentially restrict POTY points to four events at the WCOAP, or similar, but we"ll get plenty of time to debate that once the WCOAP thread goes up.  Soon obviously.  :)

- Adding extra formats into the team event.

Think it would act as a barrier to the growth of the team event.  Very few players know how to play Stud etc and the thought of playing it live for the first time and not letting down your team mates will put players off.

- Captains

I don"t necessarily think captains should change each year.  I guess we are largely talking about the England position here.  My belief is if the captain has done a really good job, then he deserves to keep his job.  So while Carl is England skipper for season seven, Steve has been offered the chance to captain the team at the WCOAP.  Both of these decisions were taken in parallel at the start of the season.  I don"t believe the captain should automatically select the same players the following year though.  Lots of variables change and loyalty alone is not the only skill required in a good Captain.






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« Reply #146 on: December 19, 2013, 00:49:40 AM »
Good post Des.

Re the final point, as you know, I would have welcomed the chance to be able to defend the title as a complete team, however I respect the decisions that make this impossible.  When I declined the season-long captaincy at the start of the season, I did so to give someone else a chance - I"ve played so many of these events, and it"s unfair on those that are desperate to get their chance, so given the confirmations made in your post, I will respectfully (and somewhat reluctantly) decline the opportunity to captain England again at next year"s WCOAP.

Best wishes to whoever takes England forward next, and good luck to a team that will have a very high standard to meet.

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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #147 on: December 20, 2013, 10:37:15 AM »

Good post Des.

Re the final point, as you know, I would have welcomed the chance to be able to defend the title as a complete team, however I respect the decisions that make this impossible.  When I declined the season-long captaincy at the start of the season, I did so to give someone else a chance - I"ve played so many of these events, and it"s unfair on those that are desperate to get their chance, so given the confirmations made in your post, I will respectfully (and somewhat reluctantly) decline the opportunity to captain England again at next year"s WCOAP.

Best wishes to whoever takes England forward next, and good luck to a team that will have a very high standard to meet.

My gold medal and bracelet won as captain of England carry some very fond memories..... I guess it"s always good to end on a high :)




Thanks for this Steve. 

You were an excellent England captain and contributing team member and I regretfully accept your resignation on behalf of APAT.
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2013, 12:36:10 PM »
That"s all a bit serious.  Let me cheer up the thread for the Enlgish  ;D


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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #149 on: December 22, 2013, 19:29:45 PM »
When will England team be announced?!
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