JJ..

[pokerpops]

Late in a $4.50 180man on Stars
22 left we"re around 10th with 12k which is a touch above average
Folds to us on the button at 200/400 with JJ

Raise to 800, SB folds, BB makes it 2200 from 6k

We?

Readless btw

[KarmaDope]

What stack does the SB have? I think I prefer shove over MR preflop.

As played, I call in game.

[pokerpops]

What stack does the SB have? I think I prefer shove over MR preflop.

As played, I call in game.

SB had similar to BB c6k

[Fatcatstu]

Surely we can"t flat here Adam?? It"s a shove or fold for me, at this stage I really don"t think either a shove or a fold is that bad, but I think I shove it in, he can be re stealing light here, and we are probably flipping.

If we lose we still have c14bb left which is easily rebuilt by picking good stealing spots, if we win we probably make FT.

Stick it in his eye.

[Fatcatstu]

Also reasons for min raise from button? Is it to induce the raise? If so you have desired result, now spring the trap

I might even be tempted to open ship from button v them stacks in this spot

[pokerpops]

Also reasons for min raise from button? Is it to induce the raise? If so you have desired result, now spring the trap

I might even be tempted to open ship from button v them stacks in this spot

antes in play = min raise? I don"t play many of these

[DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be)]

I think I would just shove here... He could be putting you on a steal and could do this with any Ace or 2 high cards; or a smaller pair.

So most of the time I think you will be well ahead or a have a coinflip; if he has QQ+ that"s just bad luck.
And you are still in the tournament if you lose.

[KarmaDope]

My mistake, I misread. I assumed BB shoved and we were calling all in.

As played, shove.

[AMRN]

There is good reason for open-shoving this with the stack sizes in the blinds. However, you chose to min-raise, and presumably you had a plan when doing so?  The plan can never have been to flat a small re-raise. So, with the small stacks in the blinds, if you are going to play this hand, you have to commit to it fully....   I like the open shove as it looks weak, but then I also like the min-raise to induce. Either way, I"m never folding at any point.

[Fatcatstu]

Also reasons for min raise from button? Is it to induce the raise? If so you have desired result, now spring the trap

I might even be tempted to open ship from button v them stacks in this spot

antes in play = min raise? I don"t play many of these

The last thing you want is them flatting and then having to play on Q+ flops.

Just shove it in and make them play for all their chips to see 5 cards. As said, you might get called light by bmpeiple thinking you are stealing.

[Erimus]

Stinks of AA or KK to me, he is never folding on the flop, prob sigh shove hoping he has AK at best, he probably just jams AK pre.

Folding may seem weak, but I see this so often, he obviously wants the shove or call, he is never going to fold whatever the flop is, go with your gut.

Folding still leaves you with a decent shove stack, I think you will need to hit your set though if you call.

[TheSnapper]

Depends on stack sizes of both sb & bb and their tendencies, but generally I like to min raise induce in this spot.

I would expect most of the time that a resteal range will be wider than a calling range and thus have less equity.

[duke3016]

Shove pre, as you didn"t, shove now and when he flips over 10 10  briefly congratulate yourself until the 10 hits the river, swear profusely grab a beer and move on......

[Swinebag]

can"t believe no one has linked the "how to play jacks" clip from you tube

As played I"m shipping here. Readless pre I like the min raise to induce.

[AMRN]

can"t believe no one has linked the "how to play jacks" clip from you tube

Oh ok, go on then....

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA[/youtube]