WCOAP 2014 Team Championship Discussion Thread

[IrishTom]

(updated 13 Apr 14)

10 teams, with 4 members each, will compete in the APAT World Amateur Poker Team Championship, they will compete over 2 days as follows:

	Date/Time	Event
	17 Apr 14:00	WCOAP #6.1 World Amateur Team Championship NLHE STT (4 members)
	17 Apr 20:00	WCOAP #6.2.1 World Amateur Team Championship NLHE STT (2 members)
	17 Apr 20:00	WCOAP #6.2.2 World Amateur Team Championship PLO STT (2 members)
	17 Apr 21:00	WCOAP #6.3 World Amateur Team Championship HU (4 members 1 game each "on demand")
	18 Apr 13:00	WCOAP #6.4.1 World Amateur Team Championship NLHE STT (2 members)
	18 Apr 13:00	WCOAP #6.4.2 World Amateur Team Championship PLO8 STT (2 members)
	18 Apr 19:00	WCOAP #6.5 World Amateur Team Championship NLHE MTT (4 members)

Points will be scored as follows:

STTs 1st 8 pts, 2nd 6 pts, 3rd 5 pts, 4th 4 pts, 5th 3 pts, 6th 2 pts, 7th 1 pt, 8th 0 pts.
HU Match 1st 4 pts, 2nd 0 pts
NLHE MTT 1st 20 pts, 2nd 18 pts, 3rd 16 pts, 4th 15 pts, 5th 14 pts, 6th 13 pts, 7th 12 pts, 8th 11 pts, 9th 10 pts, 10th 9 pts, 11th 8 pts, 12th 7 pts, 13th 6 pts, 14th 5 pts, 15th 4 pts, 16th 3 pts, 17th 2 pts, 18th 1 pt

The MTT will reduce to 2 tables of 9-handed who will all be in the points.  All event points are subject to final player numbers.

All teams competing will wear "WCOAP 2014 branded shirts" available at a subsidy from APAT for £15 per shirt.

[GiMac]

Looks great Sir!!!

Same structures as used in Prague? If so that"s great, altho could probably make the hu matches a little deeper imho, this seemed to be the consensus at the time.

[LombBomb]

What GiMac said.  I"d like to see a 5k starting stack and 20 min clock in the HU matches.  Apart from that...all good!  PLO Hi/Lo will be interesting!

[IrishTom]

I"m looking at the structure for the HU - especially as we can get it "off and running" from 2000 onwards.

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

[ian.ski309]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

It"s only my opinion, but I suspect that this may lead to the self-exclusion of many APATers who might otherwise have applied to play for their country. There are so few people who play it regularly, and more importantly play it to a good standard, that team selection may well become a process of elimination.

[AMRN]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

Even more gutted now

[TheSnapper]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

It"s only my opinion, but I suspect that this may lead to the self-exclusion of many APATers who might otherwise have applied to play for their country. There are so few people who play it regularly, and more importantly play it to a good standard, that team selection may well become a process of elimination.

I think you may be underestimating your average Apat player here Ian, a decent understanding of holdem will easily transition to a competent PL08 game imho.

[ian.ski309]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

It"s only my opinion, but I suspect that this may lead to the self-exclusion of many APATers who might otherwise have applied to play for their country. There are so few people who play it regularly, and more importantly play it to a good standard, that team selection may well become a process of elimination.

I think you may be underestimating your average Apat player here Ian, a decent understanding of holdem will easily transition to a competent PL08 game imho.

I hope you"re right Brendan.

[Fatcatstu]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

Even more gutted now

+ alot!!!

[nosey-p]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

Even more gutted now

wish I was available to play

[fandango]

The main change from ECOAP is the replacement of the "2nd" NLHE STT with a PLO 08 STT.

Even more gutted now

+ alot!!!

seems like an extra rub down   oh well will have to enjoy the PLO8 bracelet tournament.

[Chipaccrual]

I would have liked to have seen the three Sit n Go phases to have combined all three variants.

So each phase would be scheduled as

4 x 8 handed NLHE (2 players from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO (1 player from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO H/L (1 player from each team)

This would allow the captain the opportunity to make strategic decisions not only on team selection (do you pick a specialist who then also has to play a NLHE HU and MTT or go for more multi-skilled players), but also on the day of each phase.

This would also remove the fact that players will be put off by the PLO H/L element.  (I hear what you are saying Brendan, but I would add that there are plenty of really good APAT players who have never played PLO H/L, or perhaps even PLO for that matter).  I would certainly not want to represent my country if, for example, Limit Stud was included as a "must play".  I would be too worried about letting the others down as I don"t play that variant, let alone to a standard for this competition.

#justsayin  

[bear21]

I would have liked to have seen the three Sit n Go phases to have combined all three variants.

So each phase would be scheduled as

4 x 8 handed NLHE (2 players from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO (1 player from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO H/L (1 player from each team)

This would allow the captain the opportunity to make strategic decisions not only on team selection (do you pick a specialist who then also has to play a NLHE HU and MTT or go for more multi-skilled players), but also on the day of each phase.

This would also remove the fact that players will be put off by the PLO H/L element.  (I hear what you are saying Brendan, but I would add that there are plenty of really good APAT players who have never played PLO H/L, or perhaps even PLO for that matter).  I would certainly not want to represent my country if, for example, Limit Stud was included as a "must play".  I would be too worried about letting the others down as I don"t play that variant, let alone to a standard for this competition.

#justsayin  

See what you are saying Leigh but to me a PLO hi/lo game is a great inclusion

About time APAT brought the game in , OK maybe for the team event a bit of a shock but I would like to see this included a lot more on APAT events and I"m sure other APAT"ers would agree also with other games like stud etc

well done !!

[DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be)]

I would have liked to have seen the three Sit n Go phases to have combined all three variants.

So each phase would be scheduled as

4 x 8 handed NLHE (2 players from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO (1 player from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO H/L (1 player from each team)

This would allow the captain the opportunity to make strategic decisions not only on team selection (do you pick a specialist who then also has to play a NLHE HU and MTT or go for more multi-skilled players), but also on the day of each phase.

This would also remove the fact that players will be put off by the PLO H/L element.  (I hear what you are saying Brendan, but I would add that there are plenty of really good APAT players who have never played PLO H/L, or perhaps even PLO for that matter).  I would certainly not want to represent my country if, for example, Limit Stud was included as a "must play".  I would be too worried about letting the others down as I don"t play that variant, let alone to a standard for this competition.

#justsayin  

I do agree with this... as previously stated somewhere I think this gives it an extra dynamic.

And regarding the HU: do other people also think that 4 points is a bit too much maybe? Because the score is either 4-0 or 0-4.. which means there"s an 8-point difference between winning and losing! I"m not just saying this because our team sucks in HU or something like that (we won all 4 matches during the ECOAP so we profited from the big point difference), it"s just a thought...

[Chipaccrual]

I would have liked to have seen the three Sit n Go phases to have combined all three variants.

So each phase would be scheduled as

4 x 8 handed NLHE (2 players from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO (1 player from each team)
2 x 8 handed PLO H/L (1 player from each team)

This would allow the captain the opportunity to make strategic decisions not only on team selection (do you pick a specialist who then also has to play a NLHE HU and MTT or go for more multi-skilled players), but also on the day of each phase.

This would also remove the fact that players will be put off by the PLO H/L element.  (I hear what you are saying Brendan, but I would add that there are plenty of really good APAT players who have never played PLO H/L, or perhaps even PLO for that matter).  I would certainly not want to represent my country if, for example, Limit Stud was included as a "must play".  I would be too worried about letting the others down as I don"t play that variant, let alone to a standard for this competition.

#justsayin  

See what you are saying Leigh but to me a PLO hi/lo game is a great inclusion

About time APAT brought the game in , OK maybe for the team event a bit of a shock but I would like to see this included a lot more on APAT events and I"m sure other APAT"ers would agree also with other games like stud etc

well done !!

Gary, you might have missed my point. I agree with you, it"s a great inclusion, but using the structure I have suggested means no one is put off from trying to get to play for their country.

Unless of course the view is that there"s only a small bunch of players in contention for their country and it"s assumed that they all know their stuff.

I wonder how many of the top players in the rankings over the years would say that they were competent at PLO8 ?

Let"s include it, but not at a cost of putting players off.