S8 Live Tour Discussion Thread

[AAroddersAA]

Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?

Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?

It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.

It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?

I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.

[AMRN]

Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?

Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?

It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.

It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?

I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.

I might be missing the point here, but surely the APAT Irish leg is about provision of APAT style poker for those in the vicinity, ie the Irish that live in Ireland. There will of course be a contingent that will travel from the UK, but we shouldn"t be creating something to satisfy the UK travellers rather than the local players. If the primary goal was to satisfy the UK players, we wouldn"t be playing it in Dublin.

[Fatcatstu]

Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?

Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?

It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.

It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?

I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.

I might be missing the point here, but surely the APAT Irish leg is about provision of APAT style poker for those in the vicinity, ie the Irish that live in Ireland. There will of course be a contingent that will travel from the UK, but we shouldn"t be creating something to satisfy the UK travellers rather than the local players. If the primary goal was to satisfy the UK players, we wouldn"t be playing it in Dublin.

Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?

[Paulie_D]

Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?

I would point out that this is a personal observation only...not an established fact.

Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?

Stu,

One could certainly make that argument but others have commented on the fact that there was little or no marketing in Ireland of the APAT events either by the host venue or APAT (although I"m unsure on the latter score) to drum up any serious interest.

That was certainly the case last year at the Fitz where all they had done (AFAIK) was post up a few A4 posters....and I believe someone commented on the same about online boards etc.

We certainly clashed with the Winamax last year so that didn"t help either. In fact, if it hadn"t been for the lads who"d already busted from the Winamax playing the APAT the numbers would have been even worse.

I probably wouldn"t have gone to Ireland this year (although I might have been persuaded if enough of the diehards were going) but I"m definitely going this year...I"m just waiting on Aer Lingus to publish their January fares from Southend (my local airport) before pushing the button.

Throw in the new hotel, by the airport with a free airport shuttle, at a cheapo rate (it seems) with a 2 day PLO main and mixed sides..I"m all over that.

For those who want NLHE, the Fitz is a still there but, unfortunately, the much missed Larry Murphy"s is not.

[HERBIEHACKIT]

Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?

Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?

It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.

It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?

I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.

I might be missing the point here, but surely the APAT Irish leg is about provision of APAT style poker for those in the vicinity, ie the Irish that live in Ireland. There will of course be a contingent that will travel from the UK, but we shouldn"t be creating something to satisfy the UK travellers rather than the local players. If the primary goal was to satisfy the UK players, we wouldn"t be playing it in Dublin.

looks like my reply did not register so here it is again. apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local  and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.

[Paulie_D]

apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local  and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.

I pretty much disagree with every point made there.

[HERBIEHACKIT]

apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local  and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.

I pretty much disagree with every point made there.

you and others will and other will not

[Fatcatstu]

Stu,

One could certainly make that argument but others have commented on the fact that there was little or no marketing in Ireland of the APAT events either by the host venue or APAT (although I"m unsure on the latter score) to drum up any serious interest.

That was certainly the case last year at the Fitz where all they had done (AFAIK) was post up a few A4 posters....and I believe someone commented on the same about online boards etc.

We certainly clashed with the Winamax last year so that didn"t help either. In fact, if it hadn"t been for the lads who"d already busted from the Winamax playing the APAT the numbers would have been even worse.

I probably wouldn"t have gone to Ireland this year (although I might have been persuaded if enough of the diehards were going) but I"m definitely going this year...I"m just waiting on Aer Lingus to publish their January fares from Southend (my local airport) before pushing the button.

Throw in the new hotel, by the airport with a free airport shuttle, at a cheapo rate (it seems) with a 2 day PLO main and mixed sides..I"m all over that.

For those who want NLHE, the Fitz is a still there but, unfortunately, the much missed Larry Murphy"s is not.

I was playing devils advocate a little there admittedly.It seems that Tom has taken feedback around travel and hotels etc into consideration and i feel that it is a good package.

[s4ooter]

Nice to see a bunch of dates that arent a clusterf*ck and are spread evenly.

Vegas and the euro event werent needed, just arrange a trip with your mates if you want a jolly.

As for me, ill play Bristol as its so local to me.  Ill play the worlds, and Cov.  The rest are going to be moreso on what im up to that weekend.  Sayin that, ill prob end up at all of them lol

[TheSnapper]

PLO is HUGE in Ireland

Maybe in your mind Paulie,

These are some of  the best cardrooms in Ireland, The Eglinton offer an omaha tourney on friday night, the rest, exclusively holdem!

http://fitzwilliamcardclub.com/poker/tournament-schedule
http://www.macausportingclub.com/#!nightly-tournament-schedule/c1ged
http://www.theeglinton.com/PokerClub/Tournaments/tabid/63/Default.aspx
http://thegoldrushcardclub.com/

Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?

Again, not true. Check out Irish poker boards below for a snapshot of upcoming events, there is a clue in the number of operators/clubs offering tournies.

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?

Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?

Seriously Stu?

+1 for Tom.

I bet he"s wrung out right now...the finishing touches weren"t put in place until the very last minute before the deadline. I was half convinced there were going to be some "TBC"s in there.

Absolutely, kudos for your efforts Tom.

But this is feedback, not a personal attack.

Finally, we have partnered with an independent operator for this event, I suspect that would be either JP Mc Cann or Stephen Mc Clean. They know the Irish market.

[Paulie_D]

Larry Santo AFAIK

[Paulie_D]

I said that it was my observation that PLO was better supported (perhaps HUGE was a bit of hyperbole) but the fact that it"s being offered on a regular basis is a fair indication.

Compare that to how often it"s offered in the UK.

I recall that the Fitzwilliam also had a PLO cash table going most of the time.

[TheSnapper]

Larry Santo AFAIK

Sound man,

https://www.facebook.com/LsEventsPromotions

His next offering..,

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19243

[TheSnapper]

I recall that the Fitzwilliam also had a PLO cash table going most of the time.

One maybe two PLO cash tables alongside 4 - 10 PLHE cash tables.

Zero PLO Tournies which is pertinent to the game we propose to offer.

[Fatcatstu]

Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?

Again, not true. Check out Irish poker boards below for a snapshot of upcoming events, there is a clue in the number of operators/clubs offering tournies.

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?

Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?

Seriously Stu?

As i said before, i was playing a bit of devils advocate at times.

HOWEVER have APAT events had huge numbers turn up?

I can see why you are upset, I would imagine I would be, but APAT never come near to Stockton either, so I will never know the feeling!!