How would you play this? (online tourney hand - bubble has burst)

[hi_am_chris]

I think also your slightly unlucky that he didnt reraise you pre flop which would also have let you get away from the hand

[kinboshi]

I think also your slightly unlucky that he didnt reraise you pre flop which would also have let you get away from the hand

A good play by the other player?

[Roscopiko]

I think also your slightly unlucky that he didnt reraise you pre flop which would also have let you get away from the hand

A good play by the other player?

Got him all the chips so yes.

Flop comes AJX and it would be him on here reviewing his hand though.

[hi_am_chris]

Yes a good play by the other player, departed is raising utg so hes possibly giving him some respect and has position post flop. Also if departed has a hand he has dominated hes giving himself a chance to take his whole stack. I was just commenting that a lot of players would have probably reraised in that situation and given departed a chance to get away from his hand

[Jon MW]

Yes a good play by the other player, departed is raising utg so hes possibly giving him some respect and has position post flop. Also if departed has a hand he has dominated hes giving himself a chance to take his whole stack. ...

hmmm, possibly but I would think it"s more likely excessive passivity.

a) it has been mentioned that the table was tight
b) AK is a drawing hand
c) the opponent didn"t raise (in this instance shove all in) on the very coordinated flop.
d) the opponent didn"t fold on the very coordinated flop

He"s a long way behind any made hand on that flop, and he"s a long way behind a pocket pair. If he doesn"t fill his flush or catch a King or an Ace he"s just donked off a vast proportion of his chips.

Compare that to reraising/shoving preflop - fairly safe likelihood of winning the pot there and then - at worst a race.

Raising/shoving postflop, you"re a long way behind AA, KK, any Q and a made flush.
But - what are the chances they"ve made the flush?

A pocket pair below a Q you will almost certainly get to fold.
A very tight player might even fold a low flush (they can"t have the nut flush after all) or a high pair.

And if they are beating you, and they do call, you still have a draw to the nuts.

Obviously folding post flop isn"t a bad idea either as it preserves his chips.

Because of these reasons I would surmise the opponent was just being too passive (rather than clever) and allowing himself to get outdrawn (although sadly that didn"t occur this time).

[deanp27]

fwiw i think villain"s play with AK here is pretty poor and only got the desired result because

a) he hit the nuts
b) you had the second nuts

why he hasn"t raised pre or on the flop is interesting, wonder what would have happened if the turn was  :: or whatever

once you get this far with that turn card though you can"t fold. Probably fold AJ preflop though here

[George2Loose]

Standard.

Those saying they fold this UTG are too tight

[AMRN]

Standard.

Those saying they fold this UTG are too tight

.....but still in the tourney. Those that make a standard raise are out!!  I know which I prefer

[REvans84]

At a tough table/aggressive table I would fold AJo UTG but with you saying the table is playing very tight, I think its correct to raise imo.

[deanp27]

i don"t think folding this UTG would be incorrect. But i do accept it is table dependant.

as for me being too tight, thanks for the compliment  

[George2Loose]

I think people get results orientated.

Just cos you lost the hand on this occasion doesn"t mean that AJ utg is a fold.

[AMRN]

I think people get results orientated.

And the problem with that is...?   I am focussed on my results - I like to win. Is that bad?  

[kinboshi]

I think people get results orientated.

And the problem with that is...?   I am focussed on my results - I like to win. Is that bad?  

I think he means you"re using hindsight to justify the decisions.

[AMRN]

I think people get results orientated.

And the problem with that is...?   I am focussed on my results - I like to win. Is that bad?  

I think he means you"re using hindsight to justify the decisions.

but my point is that I would fold that every time because I am focussed on results....

I consider it to be a generally -EV move. Any flat call behind me leaves me not knowing where I am, and means I just have to bet the flop regardless.... and with 20xBB before the hand, the standard raise preflop, and a half pot c-bet is going to have commited half my stack... therefore the raise pf out of position is going to land me in trouble and donk chips away more often than it will succeed.

AJ is such a marginal hand - I would never play it so far out of position at a full table..... not in the first hand when holding 200xBB, nor when deep in the money.

If that makes me "results oriented" then so be it.

[Jon MW]

In which case the original comment about playing too tight comes into play.

Poker is a situational game
So if you are saying that you would never ever play AJ from an early position then you are going to be missing out on opportunities to acquire chips - a very tight table being the prime example, especially if you have also been playing tight for a while.