Sorry texfitz I have to dis agree with you in regard to APAT. The association does a fantastic job of organising both on line and live tournaments, not to mention the regional on line leagues that we have going this year. All this is done by volunteers who take no payment for their efforts, their only aim is to make poker accessible to the masses, and in my opinion they do a great job. Okay there are flaws, my medal from a regional event in Manchester took ages, but it came eventually, and like any organisation certain cliques evolve, but with more inter action on line and live, I think these are being broken down. I have met lots of different people this year, and we have talked poker, football, booze etc and I feel with the added value events that Des has arranged with GUKPT, APAT can only go from strength to strength, so lets get behind it, and hopefully we will spawn many more big winners like George2 loose ( rupinder bedi), Liv Boeree, James Eccles to name but a few!!