Cash game - QQ pre-flop

[Eck]

Blatant I won £160 in a cash game post obv.

btw i make it £200 and get them in and lose when one of the straddlers can"t let go of A8, SB has jacks..

[lukybugur]

lol, me thinx Eck has your number on this one Dan

[Santino67]

Blatant I won £160 in a cash game post obv.

btw i make it £200 and get them in and lose when one of the straddlers can"t let go of A8, SB has jacks..

Nice one James, don"t you just love those rag aces  :"(

I reckon the SB has pocket 8"s

[Swinebag]

SB has 4 guys to act behind him with £31 in the pot already so the £60 is a massive overbet.

where do you get the £31 already in pot , i cant see that in history ??

As was the norm at that time of the session, my BB was straddled round to £16

so ...

Seat 9 (SB) £1
Seat 1 (Daniel on BB) £2
Seat 2 has straddled with £4
Seat 3 has straddled with £8
Seat 4 has straddled with £16

Everyone else folded round to SB

So £31, no?

A great start to the new term, Neil - Excellent maths - A*

[Santino67]

SB has 4 guys to act behind him with £31 in the pot already so the £60 is a massive overbet.

where do you get the £31 already in pot , i cant see that in history ??

As was the norm at that time of the session, my BB was straddled round to £16

so ...

Seat 9 (SB) £1
Seat 1 (Daniel on BB) £2
Seat 2 has straddled with £4
Seat 3 has straddled with £8
Seat 4 has straddled with £16

Everyone else folded round to SB

So £31, no?

A great start to the new term, Neil - Excellent maths - A*

Shouldn"t you be in class Rob?

[Swinebag]

This is the 21st century Grant, I finished at 2.50

I just stuck neil"s post on the board as an example of why we show working out!!

[lukybugur]

MY FIRST A - it only took me 31 years!

I"d NEVER have thought it would be in Maths either - Celebrate! ( I"m just glad I was right )

[Santino67]

I had guys straddling me last week at the Vic cash table. I told them "get the f*** off me!"  

[kinboshi]

Posted by: Kinboshi

Everyone folds round to the SB, who raises up to £60.  The SB has been one of the tightest players at the table, and seems to know what he"s doing.  Whenever he"s been involved pre-flop, he"s had a decent hand.  He"s been on the table a while, and knows that the players to act after me have been very eager to call or re-raise with a wide range of cards.

right if i"m reading this right , its no-limit your playing [i ask because i associate straddling with limit poker] and i take it 3 are in the pot when SB raises [is this a re-raise Kinboshi as again i find it confusing when u say everyone folds round to sb]
how much in pot when sb raises

Yes, it"s no-limit.  I"m in the BB for £2, UTG straddles to £4, UTG+1 to £8, and UTG+2 to £16.  Everyone folds to the SB who is first to do any betting after the cards have been seen.

anyhows going on what i make of it    trust your read on the sb if he has raised 3 call stations like this chances are he has a big hand looking to get paid off by them,so going by your read QQ is a fold , you cant call it [NOT ENOUGH IMPLIED ODDS IF HE HAS AA OR KK AND YOU NEED SET] look for a better spot in position and play more post flop against the weak players and isolate them when you can..

That"s two of you who"ve said this now. Interesting...

also change seats and get the loose players to your right !!!  

 That might have made sense, but other than the the SB and myself, everyone at the table was very loose.

[kinboshi]

Blatant I won £160 in a cash game post obv.

£200 actually now you mention it .

btw i make it £200 and get them in and lose when one of the straddlers can"t let go of A8, SB has jacks..

[lukybugur]

btw i make it £200 and get them in and lose when one of the straddlers can"t let go of A8, SB has jacks..

Does mean he was right ... ?

[WarBwastardo]

I think I"d have a little cry at having to let such a strong hand go and muck.  You can"t just flat call as it risks inviting in the three stooges and once they"re involved you"re set mining (is that what the kids are calling it these days?).

It sounds from the original post like you felt you were beat, so it"s probably a good idea to go with your instincts.  The SB must be expecting a call so to play out of position with nothing sounds far less likely than him actually having a hand that beats your Queens. 

If you were going to play you have to raise to get it heads-up but it"s difficult to find an amount to raise without committing yourself to the pot and giving that this player is ostensibly tighter than an Italian waiters kecks, it"s probably prudent to just give up your hand and the £2 you have invested and wait for a better spot as you"re probably either in a race or a 4/1 dog for your whole stack.

Of course in reality I"d shove it all in, cause I"d almost certainly be drunk and I do that sort of thing.

[Chipaccrual]

Definite fold on the assumption that you are going to need to hit another queen to win the hand and with the likelyhood of a few more callers, that is not good odds.

But I hardly play cash, so what do I know.

[kinboshi]

Thanks for all the responses.

I folded.

I just couldn"t see what he could have that I was beating, other than JJ and I thought that unlikely.  It was the combination of his tightness and the LAGs still to act that convinced me that he wanted callers or even better for him, raisers.

If he"d bet £30 or less, I might have been tempted to call and set-mine, knowing that I could stack him if he did indeed have AA or KK - and hopefully I"d have another couple of passengers along for the ride.

But with the size of his bet and the size of the stacks at the table, I just didn"t think I could call.  So it was either a re-raise, or a fold.  A re-raise would see me committed, so it would have to be a shove really.

I just thought that it was too likely that he had me crushed, and looking back I think that I"d put him on too narrow a range - he might have done the same with TT or JJ.

Anyway, I did fold.  UTG+1 called.  The flop came 9-high, and the SB bet out and UTG+1 folded. 

SB showed kc kh.

I wanted to get other"s opinions to see if I just got lucky, or if my reasoning was sound.  I think it was a bit of both.

[AMRN]

yay i said fold (not sure I would have actually folded at the table though, but easy to make the play on a forum!)

Of course, if you had played along, the river was going to be a Q!!