WCOAP 2017 - Discussion

[Paulie_D]

I for one am hugely looking forward to WCOAP

Hope to see you there.

Me too...booking hotels today.

[MintTrav]

APAT to their absolute credit though are the only operator offering these games at any kind of buy in level especially at the incredible value of a £50 buy in. I would love to see Stud and Razz on the schedule but we need to be grateful that APAT continue break the mould by including Horse, OFC, O8 and others

Yep, that"s true.

[peripheraldecision]

I, like you Peripheral, am a massive advocate of limit poker in all forms. I don"t think most people appreciate the true nuance"s of these games and prefer the gamble and variance of nl/pl games. Not that that stops these people complaining when variance bites them on the proverbials. This of course is the opinion of the masses and every provider including APAT has to tailor their offering to the majority of their client base.

APAT to their absolute credit though are the only operator offering these games at any kind of buy in level especially at the incredible value of a £50 buy in. I would love to see Stud and Razz on the schedule but we need to be grateful that APAT continue break the mould by including Horse, OFC, O8 and others that other tour operators would never dare take the risk on. All of this is without even mentioning the hugely successful 8 game players championship from last year and will no doubt prove to be even more popular this year. Another example of the community clamoring for an offering, APAT listening and supplying.

I"m sure, dealers and space permitting, that we could arrange a mixed game cash table one night. If we can get the numbers I"m sure Tom would be happy to arrange something with the cardroom. I"ll be there all week and can see this being a lot of fun, so I"ll kick off the list by proposing Tuesday night (good practise for the horse the next day) either £1/£2 or £2/£4 with 50p/£1 ante/bring in for stud games. Who"s in?

Simon

Nice reply.

Definitely down for a cash game. In fact I actually put myself down on a list the past couple of years at Aspers for a HORSE or FLO8 cash game. Sadly nobody joined!

If we were to do it, I like the idea of 50p antes in the stud rounds as I believe most casinos don"t have smaller chips. As for the stakes, I think if you"re playing £56, £110 buyins on comps, you consider those sums affordable to lose, you can probably afford a decent level cash game too. So £2.50/£5 I think is a nice sweet spot for the stakes. I have a thing for 10% antes from playing online a lot, but 1/8th on £2/£4 isn"t that bad either.

Holdem and Omaha 8, blinds of £1 and £2.50 (similar to a 10 cent/25 cent NL/PL game blind structure), and 50p ante, £1 bringin, completion to £2.50 I like the bringin to be more than doubled by a completion..

And a 1 bet and 3 raises cap like online

Pots should be around the sort of level you"d see on a £1/£1 NLHE game.

As for the rake, I think it better to have an hourly table charge to avoid the horrific split pot rake. I think something like £5 an hour per player is reasonable for a game of those stakes, even if it certainly puts a dent into the fabled "1 big bet an hour" winrate. The casino"s got to make money and pay for the dealer.

With the Monday Tuesday gap, I can see myself playing HORSE all night those nights.

Anyone else in?

[CW86]

I"d happily play.....horribly. can"t talk highly enough of apat for giving me the chance to play games I would never have played. For the most part I found myself enjoying all of them... (Razz is pretty dry). So yes, i am in

[MintTrav]

First I"ve heard of Stud not getting support. In fact, I know it"s not true from bitter experience. In 2015, I left work early and travelled from Portsmouth to Aspers for the Stud, but wasn"t allowed to play because the cap had been reached. Any lack of numbers for Stud has been due to the caps imposed.

On the other hand, there are several mixed-games players opposed to the inclusion of OFC. There is a vocal group who want it, but there are many who don"t like it and don"t think it has a place, especially at the expense of Stud or Razz (or even on its own merits).

And there are many who don"t like Stud or Razz, and many who love OFC or would love to try it in a casino, real money buyin environment...

Last year (or was it the year before!?) we tried to introduce non-NLHE/PLO events to the APAT Tour with a view to providing the opportunity to play them, build the interest and take it forward.  Regrettably they didn"t get the support needed, therefore we were restrained to take them forward... (this isn"t particularly aimed at this discussion around Stud/Razz in WCOAP).

What really helps, is seeing support, both live and online, for non-NLHE/PLO events that gives us a little hope that they may be supported and we can therefore have a degree of confidence in our discussions with venues.  I know Leigh is keen to continue with this theme online... so here"s hoping.

This conversation could just go on and on and on based around individual preferences, so thankfully it is APAT who make the decisons, and not individuals, otherwise a schedule would never be agreed!... and in the HOPE that, overall, we give a balanced APAT Season whilst remaining committed to bring non-NLHE events to members year on year... but we can"t always give YOU want YOU want (not aimed at YOU personally John).

As we complete our discussions with G BNR, we"ll be confirming all details for WCOAP, including max numbers for each event, in the coming week or so.

I for one am hugely looking forward to WCOAP, especially the Team Championship where hopefully we will have a good increase in teams participating.

Hope to see you there.

We know there is a limit when it comes to fitting these games in and something has to give.

I don"t want to leave any impression of disgruntlement, when APAT is the only organisation offering them.

We do appreciate it.

[killjoy1987]

Do we need to have any sort of "special" APAT membership to take part in these events?

I used to be active in the Liverpool forum a few years back but stopped playing poker for a while but this Championship looks great. I"d be playing in 9 of the events if possible. Do we just turn up on the day and register or is there a protocol to it?

Many thanks

[Paulie_D]

Do we need to have any sort of "special" APAT membership to take part in these events?

I used to be active in the Liverpool forum a few years back but stopped playing poker for a while but this Championship looks great. I"d be playing in 9 of the events if possible. Do we just turn up on the day and register or is there a protocol to it?

Many thanks

Certainly, you can just turn up and play on the day BUT if you wanted to guarantee a seat there will be pre-registration (and probable buy-in) via Grosvenor Poker Online.

Also, you will be able, I expect, to reserve a seat (for a small non-refundable fee for EACH event) via Eventbrite. This puts you at the front of the queue BUT you do have to turn up on the day and buy-in on the day BEFORE the start time of each comp.

Both of these options are likely to go live in the next couple of months. I"m sure Tom will let us know when that happens.

[killjoy1987]

Awesome thank you

[redsimon]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

[IrishTom]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events.  I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...

[CW86]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake

[IrishTom]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events.  I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...

Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.

However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).

[Sugar_Free]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events.  I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...

Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.

However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).

I hope it"s going to be a better structure than last year, preferably more like the previous year.

[IrishTom]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events.  I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...

Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.

However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).

I hope it"s going to be a better structure than last year, preferably more like the previous year.

What was wrong with last year"s Matt?

(bearing in mind 2015 was a 15k+15k Double Chance - this is not a DC)

[Sugar_Free]

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake

Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?

Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events.  I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...

Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.

However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).

I hope it"s going to be a better structure than last year, preferably more like the previous year.

What was wrong with last year"s Matt?

(bearing in mind 2015 was a 15k+15k Double Chance - this is not a DC)

Wasn"t it something like 15 or 20 minute blinds for the first 15 levels or similar? Just seemed very rushed like it was shoehorned into the schedule. Good to see 20k and 30 mins this year.