APAT Cardiff - Day 2.

[Matt D]

The final results!

1..	Darren Coleman. £3,825	APAT Gold + £1,500 Destination Vegas Package (added value)
2..	Reis Khan. £2,520	APAT Silver
3..	Richard Evans. £1,580	APAT Bronze
4..	Anthony Gregg. £1,080
5..	Luke Jenkins. £710
6..	Diane Chevrier. £540
7..	Wai Go. £420
8..	Mark Morris. £370
9..	Keith Thomas. £310
10.	Gareth Brideaux. £270
11.	Stuart Astbury. £230
12.	Tom Clark. £210
13.	Steve Redfern. £210
14.	Michael Gale. £180
15.	Mark Porter. £180
16.	James Lewis. £170
17.	Lukham Islam. £170
18.	Paul Mearns. Bubble

A great heads up comes to an end. One of the best heads up I"ve seen in my time at APAT, with 2 very different styles of play evident. In the end the tight aggressive bettering the loose aggressive.


Great sportsmanship shown between the Gold and Silver medalists. What APAT is all about

[Matt D]

That"s us done for another event!

All that remains is to say a big thank you to the casino, and the staff! Big thanks also to Lucy for her excellent updates throughout, and to Leigh for the live stream wizardry. Thanks to Grosvenor Casinos for allowing us to host and also for their sponsorship. Without which we could not run the tour.

Most of all though, thanks to all the players who made this our most successful (numbers wise anyway) trip to Wales for a few years. We"ll be back!

Until next time. Look after yourselves and each other.

[Matt D]

Don"t forget the online Welsh Amateur Poker Championship next weekend! Check our full online schedule here

Enjoyed Cardiff? Have a look at the rest of our schedule here

[Hammerite]

And we have our winner in the Destination Vegas tournament!


David Griffiths (now a double Vegas Package Winner*)

Full Results:

1. David Griffiths. £1,500 Destination Vegas Package (*David also won the package in Luton!).
2. Oliver Clark. £300
3. Liam Alcock. £200
4. Jason Kemp. £200
5. Aziz Raghad. £200

First of all congratulations to the winners of both events and all those that cashed. But was has happened here ? I was playing for a first or 2nd finish as these were the prizes shown on the screen in the casino. First prize Vegas package 2nd £900 is what was displayed. I was very surprised when I saw it was paying down to fifth as in the caption above.Not complaining just interested to know how this happened as it would have made a difference to the way I went about playing the final table. If anyone could shed any light I would be obliged, cheers.

[Matt D]

And we have our winner in the Destination Vegas tournament!


David Griffiths (now a double Vegas Package Winner*)

Full Results:

1. David Griffiths. £1,500 Destination Vegas Package (*David also won the package in Luton!).
2. Oliver Clark. £300
3. Liam Alcock. £200
4. Jason Kemp. £200
5. Aziz Raghad. £200

First of all congratulations to the winners of both events and all those that cashed. But was has happened here ? I was playing for a first or 2nd finish as these were the prizes shown on the screen in the casino. Was very surprised when I saw it was paying down to fifth as in the caption above.Not complaining just interested to know how this happened as it would have made a difference to the way I went about playing the final table. If anyone could shed any light I would be obliged, cheers.

There was a deal 5-handed. No deals are allowed for APAT Main Events, but they are allowed in Side Events.

[Hammerite]

Oh ok Matt, that"s great thanks. You may wish to amend the opening post of this thread then, because it clearly states no deals facilitated for this event which is why I was perplexed.

[Matt D]

Oh ok Matt, that"s great thanks. You may wish to amend the opening post of this thread then, because it clearly states no deals facilitated for this event which I why I was perplexed.

That"s a good point. I will check with Tom who wrote the text I copied from, to clarify.

[Fluence]

As one of the 5 involved in the deal I can relay exactly what happened.

I personally wasn't thinking about a deal but one of the locals who had not played an APAT before asked about a deal on the £900.

As it was a side event I wasn't sure so I went to ask Tom and his ruling was that the “Package” must be won and could not be dealt for in any way, but he was happy for us to divide up the extra £900 cash as we wished.

As one or more of the remaining players had won a satellite for £12 to get in and some like me had paid £157 by having the add on we all felt it was sensible to smooth out the cash.

Sometime after the deal was agreed one or two had second thoughts as play progressed and people busted but that's the way of these things.

Personally I think that the fact that 4 players got at least their buy in back and a bit of profit is good for the game as it means they may be more inclined to enter another one.

[Hammerite]

Ok, thanks for the inside story, I guess there is no more to be said, as clearly a deal was arrived at despite the opening post of the thread stating they were not allowed, not happy about it because I played some marginal hands that I never would have played if I was just trying to get to the stage where i could do a deal, so good luck to you all, lesson learned by me don"t read the rules

[Fluence]

not happy about it because I played some marginal hands that I never would have played if I was just trying to get to the stage where i could do a deal...

We each play to our own way, but for me I don"t play a comp costing £82 or in my case £157 to try and min cash for £200 I was playing for the win the whole way both before and after the deal.  So you playing marginal hands is the right way in my view.

[Hammerite]

not happy about it because I played some marginal hands that I never would have played if I was just trying to get to the stage where i could do a deal...

We each play to our own way, but for me I don"t play a comp costing £82 or in my case £157 to try and min cash for £200 I was playing for the win the whole way both before and after the deal.  So you playing marginal hands is the right way in my view.

This is the point, you were playing for the win as was I, however there were people playing to get to the stage where they could do a deal (as clearly someone asked for a deal at some point), and that was at the forefront of their thinking not winning, that would be an added bonus to them. I like you invested £157 in this event so we both stood to win or lose the same, had I known at the start of the tournament that deals would be allowed then I would have no complaints. I read the player briefing and it"s says no deals, it is black & white to me.

[pokerpops]

not happy about it because I played some marginal hands that I never would have played if I was just trying to get to the stage where i could do a deal...

We each play to our own way, but for me I don"t play a comp costing £82 or in my case £157 to try and min cash for £200 I was playing for the win the whole way both before and after the deal.  So you playing marginal hands is the right way in my view.

This is the point, you were playing for the win as was I, however there were people playing to get to the stage where they could do a deal (as clearly someone asked for a deal at some point), and that was at the forefront of their thinking not winning, that would be an added bonus to them. I like you invested £157 in this event so we both stood to win or lose the same, had I known at the start of the tournament that deals would be allowed then I would have no complaints. I read the player briefing and it"s says no deals, it is black & white to me.

I doubt anybody played with a view to winning £200. But I"m fairly sure that if I were one of the last five I"d change my views on the payouts.
With a substantial gap between the "place money" and the first prize I think each of the five would still be "playing for the win".
I don"t like deals generally, bubble payments in normal tournaments are anathema to me, but this is a different situation and dynamic.
I think in this case rejecting the deal would be an error.

[pokerpops]

By the way, I am obviously biased here, but the updates this weekend were as good as I can remember them.

Well played Lucy, Matt and Tom.

[Matt D]

By the way, I am obviously biased here, but the updates this weekend were as good as I can remember them.

Well played Lucy.

+1 to this. I think she did an exceptionally good job. Also thanks to Jack Hipkiss for taking photos on day 1b.

[IrishTom]

Hi Don, my apologies as on reading back we weren"t very  clear on this in the player briefing:

QUOTE
Each event prize pool breakdown will be confirmed at the venue after the event has closed for further entries.  An example of the default APAT prize structure can be found HERE.  APAT do NOT facilitate deals for Championship Main Events nor where Vegas 2017 Packages are on offer. 
UNQUOTE

This was meant to be clear that there was no room for deals regarding any "Vegas package", but any cash element would be open for discussion between the players as APAT have allowed for a while now.

Obviously it is not written clearly and for that I apologise and will make sure it is cleared up for future events.

Tom