Double or Nothing SNGs.....

[billyho10]

I"m pretty sure correct strategy must be to play a more aggressive game in the early levels while everyone is passive and then you can take some shots when it gets to shove/fold time.

thats pretty much how i have been playing them and it seems to be working  

[Roscopiko]

thats pretty much how i have been playing them and it seems to be working  

Damn that means we have to play tight again dont we  

[billyho10]

thats pretty much how i have been playing them and it seems to be working  

Damn that means we have to play tight again dont we  

Damn it!

[Swinebag]

thats pretty much how i have been playing them and it seems to be working  

Damn that means we have to play tight again dont we  

which in turn means you can now loosen up again

[CrizzyConnor]

I"ve played four - bubbled in the first one and cashed in other 3...

The first one was EXTREMELY boring and I was playing with the mindset that I"ve got to make the money and was playing tighter than a ducks arse but I found opening up a tournament to concentrate on fully and just leaving the Double or Nothing in the background makes me play cards I normally would in the normal positions I would automatically as I forget for a minute it"s a double or nothing due to other tourny taking my concentration...

I also found that agression is the key. Nobody wants to not cash and everyone is waiting for the money right from the kick off so be agressive right from start and once you"re sitting on 2.5-3k you"re set to cruise into the money. Maybe need to make one or two more moves later in the game but thats it...

[smileriraq]

ive noticed on the site where I play that the standard has improved dramatically last month i cashed 9times out of 10 over last 8 games ive only cashed 3 (tho admittedly did suffer some bad beats thru that) ive stopped playing for a week just in case its my mind set but may have to change the strategy now people are playing tighter

[Bodddders]

Thought i"d give these a go and try and build my small bankroll. Only playing $5 10 seaters on Blue Sq. Bubbled in first two but have cashed in the next 7, will keep you informed of my progress. To try and beat the boredom I normally play 3/4 at a time.

[Roscopiko]

Played 4 of these on i-poker yesterday 2 $5, 2 $10 and cashed in them all.  Generally found so far if you can get doubled early on (like AA v KK kind of thing) then you can steal almost every blind from position and cruise to the money.

Otherwise you are folding 99% of the time and just stealing from position to survive with atc until you either get a hand, get lucky or get caught.

If I don"t double then its basically a crap shoot to cash and prey I dont run into a hand stealing or get bad beated with a monster hand.

So, my new question is:

If I am above average player would playing DoN S&G or Heads Up matches be more profitable?

We are playing for the same prize money, normally at 1/2 the reg fee and HU must be a more skillful game than a turbo survival S&G, especially as players learn (in theory) how to play these games.

What do you think?

[Jon MW]

I think HU will have wider variance because you have to play such a high proportion of hands - and that this won"t be counteracted sufficiently by the extra skill you might bring to it.

But that"s part of the reason why building up a reasonable sample size on the double or nothing S&G"s is interesting because it might prove to be more like you suggest.

[Roscopiko]

I think HU will have wider variance because you have to play such a high proportion of hands - and that this won"t be counteracted sufficiently by the extra skill you might bring to it.

But that"s part of the reason why building up a reasonable sample size on the double or nothing S&G"s is interesting because it might prove to be more like you suggest.

Don"t think i have the boredom threshold to get to 100, not only are they just dull to play but is it me or does it take like 20 mins for i-poker to create a new tourney once the last has filled?

[Jon MW]

I"m playing on Pokerstars, plenty of "action"  - but still boring to play.

In fact, I"ve lost 6 games so far and in 4 of them it was because I was bored and started gambling to relieve the boredom.

[Swinebag]

If I am above average player would playing DoN S&G or Heads Up matches be more profitable?

In my case, No!

the edge in being an above average player would result in proportionally more 1sts(over 2nds and thirds) in standard 10 player STTs.

if you are cashing 40% in a 10 man STT with more 1sts than 2nds and thirds you would need to be winning 70% of DoNs for the same ROI.

I haven"t played my 100 DoNs yet, but will not get 70 wins. Having said that there are players who will do better than 70%, but then again they may be able to do better than 40% cashes in STTs, so again I would probably "No" for players who are more than above average too.

Also, It is easier to learn a winning formula for DoNs than standard STTs, so weaker players will get better quicker at those than they would at standard STTs, thus reducing your edge further.

I"ll be back to 10 man STTs next week

[Swinebag]

I"m playing on Pokerstars, plenty of "action"  - but still boring to play.

In fact, I"ve lost 6 games so far and in 4 of them it was because I was bored and started gambling to relieve the boredom.

I did the same last night.

I was "experimenting" to see if I could push anyone off a hand in the bubble.

I was third in chips, guy who was second in chips (2 BBs more than me) raised 2.5xBB. I "woke up" with rag rag (think it was 47o) and was last to act in the BB so put him all in. He called with JJ (bad call I think) and I was gone, much to everyones hilarity I presume (given that chat is turned off in the bubble)

[Roscopiko]

If I am above average player would playing DoN S&G or Heads Up matches be more profitable?

In my case, No!

the edge in being an above average player would result in proportionally more 1sts(over 2nds and thirds) in standard 10 player STTs.

if you are cashing 40% in a 10 man STT with more 1sts than 2nds and thirds you would need to be winning 70% of DoNs for the same ROI.

I haven"t played my 100 DoNs yet, but will not get 70 wins. Having said that there are players who will do better than 70%, but then again they may be able to do better than 40% cashes in STTs, so again I would probably "No" for players who are more than above average too.

Also, It is easier to learn a winning formula for DoNs than standard STTs, so weaker players will get better quicker at those than they would at standard STTs, thus reducing your edge further.

I"ll be back to 10 man STTs next week

What about Heads Up matches tho?

[Swinebag]

I dont play many HU matches, but would think that my win rate would be better in DoNs........just.

I would have thought that there are less weaker players playing HU STTs, but dont really know tbh