Full Tilt Matrix Games

[Mayfair]

Just thought i would share my first experience of these games.

They are SnG games where the stake is split into 5 and you play 4 games simultaneously against the same 5 or 8 opponents each worth 1/4 the pot and
the last 1/5 of the pot goes to the overall winner.

I"m not one to multi-table SnGs as i like to see the game develop and get a read of my opponents (ok i admit i cant handle too much goin on  ) but with these you are guaranteed that your opponents are also playing 4 games (at least at the start) and that levelled it right back.

As i play at the lower stakes i"m unlikely to run into some internet poker whizz whose regular idea of fun is 12 tabling. So this could be a way to keep my ROI where it is but increase my games played and hence see the bankroll surge.


Thoughts ?

Mayfair

[Swinebag]

They are SnG games where the stake is split into 5 and you play 4 games simultaneously against the same 5 or 8 opponents each worth 1/4 the pot and
the last 1/5 of the pot goes to the overall winner.

Thoughts ?

I"m thinking that 4 lots of 1/4  plus 1/5 is more than 1, or am I missing something

[Mayfair]

They are SnG games where the stake is split into 5 and you play 4 games simultaneously against the same 5 or 8 opponents each worth 1/4 the pot and
the last 1/5 of the pot goes to the overall winner.

Thoughts ?

I"m thinking that 4 lots of 1/4  plus 1/5 is more than 1, or am I missing something

Quite correct all 1/5

[TopPair2Pair]

can you enter more then 1 at once?

[monkeyman]

just had a couple of goes at these. I started with a six-handed game and didn"t have a clue what was happening (no change there then) and have decided that four six-handed tables at once is too much for me (I finished unplaced on each table). I then tried nine-handed and managed a 1st,2nd and 3rd for an overall win. I"ve no idea yet whether I"ll give it another go; I suspect I"ll just return to it occasionally for a bit of fun.  

[Swinebag]

this will be my next project (after the 100 DoNs).

they sound great and are a chance to build up a good profile on opponents

[nosey-p]

So if you play a $10 sng, you are playing 4x$2 plus 1 overall winner?
I normally play 4 $10 at the same time, so if I play in this it would cost me $50+5

Will give this ago tonight    

[Mayfair]

this will be my next project (after the 100 DoNs).

they sound great and are a chance to build up a good profile on opponents

If you are using Poker Tracker 3

I ended up playing 3 of these and knew i was in profit. So i went to check my profit on them in pt3 (beta 18) and it must have barfed on the data as it only recorded 1 table from each set of 4 as a tournament (haven"t checked the hands within the tournament yet) so pt3 might not be the place to build a profile. And who knows how long an update might be. Maybe a manual import after completetion may work but you lose the hud.

[Mayfair]

So if you play a $10 sng, you are playing 4x$2 plus 1 overall winner?
I normally play 4 $10 at the same time, so if I play in this it would cost me $50+5

Will give this ago tonight    

Yep

The initial stake is split into 5. 1/5 for each table and 1/5 for the "Matrix" overall classification (all paying 1st, 2nd - and 3rd if 9 player game).

You would need to go up somewhere round the $50+$5 level

[nosey-p]

Played in on of these last night

I found that most of the players was playing as if it was a FT of a MTT, trying to ladder up the pay structure but for points instead. Unfortunately I had some bad beats and only manage one 3rd

When I normally play 4 games, I start them 10 minutes apart. With them all starting at the same time it can get abit manic.

Aggression seems to be the way to go.                

[Roscopiko]

These could potentially be a good money spinner if you can suss the tactics for them quickly.

What is the point scoring for placing/knockouts?

Will try a few of these tonight I think. Defo play full ring to start but 6 seaters could be the place to make money if you can play quick enough vs those who can"t.

What levels have people played at? i.e. if you normally play $10 would you play a $40 matrix?

[Swinebag]

What levels have people played at? i.e. if you normally play $10 would you play a $40 matrix?

I dont really know the answer to this. BUT, If I normally play 3 tables at $10 then I"ll be trying $30 matrix.

I"m thinking, given that the prize is split in 5ths then maybe $50 matrix, but that just seems a lot at one time so $30 it is. Gonna try this next week. I"m getting a bit of a backlog for my blog......must update!

[Roscopiko]

Ok, played 2 of these matrix games last night and they will be my last 2.

I initially went the route of playing for as many matrix points as possible.

First was a full ring turbo and playing for knockouts only placed in 1 of 4 but had so many knockouts I was 1st in the matrix and made a small loss.

Why did i go for the matrix points when the prize is only 1/5 of the total? God knows so a change of strategy.

2nd was full ring non turbo and played for cashes and highest possible finishes, cashed in 3 with no wins or knockouts and no matrix bonus and made a small loss.

In summary, can"t really see any upside to these as you are basically dilluting the prizepool on your 4 stts with the matrix part and the (too high) knockout points skew the rewards of solid play.

IMO might help v good STT players as people make more mistakes than a standard STT going for knockouts but can"t be arsed to find a winning strategy on these whilst gaining/losing $1 on each game.

[GiMac]

I just cant see where the +EV is in playing these. For starters some of the prize fund gets siphoned off for the overall winner -EV. Say you get bad beats in 2 of the STT"s, and get donked out early, that affects the overall result for all 4, again -EV.

Am I missing something here, or is there really no value and it"s just a flash in the pan marketing gig which once the intial curiosity factor dies down will die along with it?  

[Swinebag]

Am I missing something here, or is there really no value and it"s just a flash in the pan marketing gig which once the intial curiosity factor dies down will die along with it?  

Its certainly looking that way, from the comments on here. I think it would be better if there was no "overall winner" and the prize pool was split 4 ways.

Whilst this is clearly just the same as just playing 4 STTs, the concept of being up against the same players in 4 concurrent games is surely something that could be used to your advantage