bet or check the river?

[noble1]

no pro2 had 8.9million pre raised 1 mil and has called 1mil

[TopPair2Pair]

Fold!

*ahem* as mentioned early!!! erh fold......?

[noble1]

ok pretty much 50/50 on check or bet which was the opinion of some pros that analyzed this hand afterwards.
Here is the river card and the action,what would you do now if your PRO2..?

I was reading up on some past mtts when i came across this hand on a final table 4 handed which i thought was interesting.

It is a high buy in,4 runners left all pros..
blinds - 150,000/300,000

PRO1 - 9 million in chips
PRO2 - 8.9 million in chips

pro2 is on the button and raises to 1 million with  ah qc
pro1 in the big blind calls

the flop is -   ::
pro1 checks
pro2 checks

the turn is -   ::
pro1 bets 1 million
pro2 calls

the river is -   :: qd
pro1 checks
pro2


what should pro2 do and why?

the river is -   :: qd
pro1 checks
pro2 bets 2 million
pro1 goes all in

what does pro2 do now?  he has 6.9 million left..

ps
Swinebag22 tough decision now

the actual hand happened in the 2006 wpt world championship...
the players were pro1 - Joe Bartholdi   pro2 - Claus Neilsen went on to call the all in and lost finishing in 4th place.
Roland de Wolfe was also playing and finished 3rd for over 1 million dollars,Joe Bartholdi actually went on to win $3,800,000 and the title.

final hands
pro1 -  kd td
pro2 -  ah qc


Roland de Wolfe analysis -
""I do no not think Claus did anything wrong in value betting the river,he had to see if joe was bluffing or not,but when joe re-raised all in i would of decided to fold"".

Mike Sexton analysis - [this one i prefer,shows Mike has thought about it imo]
""Calling Joes bet on the turn is where Claus made the real mistake.He only had AQ but called a 1 million bet with a 9-7-5-2 board with 2 suits.
Although he correctly suspected larcency by Joe , what was Claus going to do if the river was not an ace or a queen? Is he prepared to call his money off with ace high? In my opinion he should of folded the turn,i am also not crazy about Claus betting the river,if he had stepped back to analyze things a little there was a possible straight and flush draw on the board.What could by betting the river could joe have that will pay Claus off and not beat a pair of queens? I think Claus should
of folded when Joe bet the turn.""


to be honest i do not blame him calling the turn,but personally i would of checked the river when i first read this hand..
Shows though how differently we think about these situations..

happy new year everyone..

regards
noble  

[LongshanksED]

playing as pro 2 i"d have bet around 1mill to 1.5 on the flop instead of a check especially as pre flop raiser

on the turn, with no bet on the flop i"d have bet half the pot, if im called again then im worried when the queen diamond river card comes and happily check behind to what i feel im behind

[kinboshi]

I"m with Roland.

[noble1]

playing as pro 2 i"d have bet around 1mill to 1.5 on the flop instead of a check especially as pre flop raiser

on the turn, with no bet on the flop i"d have bet half the pot, if im called again then im worried when the queen diamond river card comes and happily check behind to what i feel im behind

what do you if pro1 check raises his flush draw on flop longshanks?

[LongshanksED]

check raise on the flop is difficult

then i think hard about it and work out the best thing to do and probably fold as im still only ace high and still have a decent stack to play with

[noble1]

pretty much what i"d do without reads or the history that has happened between the two.
When you look at it, a basic continuation bet on the flop met of saved claus a few chips