Why ?

[monkeyman]

It probably is just an iffy move, but a lot depends on how you"ve played up to this point. If for instance you"ve raised three or four times each orbit and have shoved  on more than one occasion when faced with a short stack all in, this makes a huge difference to the range he could put you on and the play isn"t anywhere near as bad.
 I don"t think a flat call from you would have been the worst play in the world. If you were reraised you"d obviously have had to call anyway. If the villain just called behind you and saw that flop, I think you could easily have shoved the rest of your chips in safe in the knowledge that he hadn"t hit.
 I don"t think its ever possible to say with complete certainty that any play is bad without knowledge of what has happened prior to the hand is question. If you had been playing wild and recklessly (suspect this was not the case) calling with Ace/Queen would have been entirely reasonable.

[jacko159]

Prizes     Profit  ROI         ABI    AFS  R/A    ITM   ITM
$309     <$0     -69%    $11    800     9%     6/87   7%   

mentor13 - looking at his stats, all round donkey beginner is my guess  

Noble, presume these stats are taken from OPR ?
Do you check the stats of the players at your table whilst you are playing to supplement information you pick up as you are playing ? (if you know what I mean...)

Jacko

[noble1]

Prizes     Profit  ROI         ABI    AFS  R/A    ITM   ITM
$309     <$0     -69%    $11    800     9%     6/87   7%   

mentor13 - looking at his stats, all round donkey beginner is my guess  

Noble, presume these stats are taken from OPR ?
Do you check the stats of the players at your table whilst you are playing to supplement information you pick up as you are playing ? (if you know what I mean...)

Jacko

with unknowns yes, i only use them as a rough guide to ability though...

[George2Loose]

Part of his call will be the way he has also played the hand. He may assign you a wider range for re shoving to isolate so perhaps thinks he is in front or racing.

U open, he flats now there"s a squeeze behind- you could be iso shoving with KQ, AJ etc etc etc.

[TopPair2Pair]

I think he is bluffing with a call.

[Chipaccrual]

I think the thread title is okay for this one.  I just laughed.

$20k gtd.  $30 buyin.  2 hours in. 226 of 693 starters left. Paying top 99.  This happens.

PokerStars Game #23887331061: Tournament #132775658, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/14 11:50:19 GMT [2009/01/14 6:50:19 ET]
Table "132775658 42" 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: iarba7frunze (17995 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr.Raael (2195 in chips)
Seat 3: StoyanB (6122 in chips)
Seat 4: Chipaccrual (3795 in chips)
Seat 5: Ratisbone (8535 in chips)
Seat 6: 8kenzo8 (10555 in chips)
Seat 7: Vlatace (3495 in chips)
Seat 8: dallasgamblr (3025 in chips)
Seat 9: 400plus (17545 in chips)
iarba7frunze: posts the ante 25
Mr.Raael: posts the ante 25
StoyanB: posts the ante 25
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 25
Ratisbone: posts the ante 25
8kenzo8: posts the ante 25
Vlatace: posts the ante 25
dallasgamblr: posts the ante 25
400plus: posts the ante 25
StoyanB: posts small blind 125
Chipaccrual: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [ks ac]
Ratisbone: folds
8kenzo8: folds
Vlatace: folds
dallasgamblr: folds
400plus: folds
iarba7frunze: folds
Mr.Raael: folds
StoyanB: raises 5847 to 6097 and is all-in
Chipaccrual: calls 3520 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2327) returned to StoyanB
*** FLOP *** [ :: :: js]
*** TURN *** [ :: :: js] [ad]
*** RIVER *** [ :: :: js ad] [::]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
StoyanB: shows [:: ] (three of a kind, Threes)
Chipaccrual: shows [ks ac] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
iarba7frunze said, "lol"
Chipaccrual said, "ffs"
StoyanB collected 7765 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7765 | Rake 0
Board [ :: :: js ad  ::]
Seat 1: iarba7frunze folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: Mr.Raael (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: StoyanB (small blind) showed [:: ] and won (7765) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 4: Chipaccrual (big blind) showed [ks ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 5: Ratisbone folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 6: 8kenzo8 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 7: Vlatace folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 8: dallasgamblr folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 9: 400plus folded before Flop (didn"t bet)

[LongshanksED]

StoynB is obviously trying to steal the blinds and antes

if you didnt have a hand you couldnt call

[kinboshi]

Why did you hand change to pocket kings?  I"d ask for a redeal!

[Chipaccrual]

Why did you hand change to pocket kings?  I"d ask for a redeal!

lol

I know how much everyone likes to see the pretty card graphics, trouble is the Stars hand detail is slightly different to the APAT forum, so have to change capitals etc and am normally rushing it, so hence the slight mistake.  The hand was definitely  ks ac .

[Chipaccrual]

StoynB is obviously trying to steal the blinds and antes

if you didnt have a hand you couldnt call

Not debating that, but the pot stood at 600.  Slight overkill really.  Not got an issue with the hand.  The cards were live and you take your chances.

If it was in the first hour of a tourney, then you can understand it a bit, but two hours in and to shove like that seems really bad play, or is that normal ?

[Mikeyboy9361]

" Ours not to reason why" Cos there can"t have beeb much thought there. Okay steal the B and A, but if you run into a hand, and risk your whole stack, crazy! By the way what does ffs mean? I"m not joking, I really don"t know!

[Jon MW]

Urban Dictionary ftw

ffs

[Chipaccrual]

ffs = well who"d have thought it, how annoying.

Wouldn"t have said it if the other guy hadn"t rattled my cage with a "lol"

[LongshanksED]

StoynB is obviously trying to steal the blinds and antes

if you didnt have a hand you couldnt call

Not debating that, but the pot stood at 600.  Slight overkill really.  Not got an issue with the hand.  The cards were live and you take your chances.

If it was in the first hour of a tourney, then you can understand it a bit, but two hours in and to shove like that seems really bad play, or is that normal ?

oh i agree with you 100% - overkill preflop and no need - bad play for the stack size and betting 6k (well  your 4k to win 750 is ludicrious (sp))

if it was me i"d have just raised it 3X BB and see where i stood then

if im called then i have another big decision on the flop - if im re-raised im out of there

[noble1]

ok here are my thoughts   i gotta be quick so forgive me as it is nearly time for the dogs to have there walk  

believe it or not this move is happening a lot in high buy in mtts by players who understand sng push/fold poker and whether or not it is +ev or -ev..As far as i know it was eric haber - sheets and sorrel mizzi - Imper1um/zangbezan24 who started it.

They work out how often you will call if they shove to think if it is +ev or not,often doing this when the antes are in play especially if they think there opponent is tight.

Now i AM NOT saying this guy did it knowing the reason behind it,but he may of saw some others doing it and is just copying without knowing the maths or the concept behind it [more than likely]

i will post the maths out of interest later,as if any of you come across a good sng/mtt player in a high buy in mtt doing this you"ll be able to call wider than what they are expecting