TIME FOR TWO DAY ONES ??

[HaworthBantam]

I"ll not hear a bad word about the silver tongued Wogan......

[Noe]

Are the people who could play - my objection was more to do with the people who couldn"t.

What about those who couldn"t because of this crapshoot clickfest?  How do you call it a Championship game with Luck of internet speed being such a factor?

[Noe]

 Still a lottery, but possibly fairer than clickfest?

Loads and loads better then a clickfest where fastest internet and typist wins. 

Glad to hear you guys are looking for a solution.  Here is my idea:  How about a Day One Event on Friday that sends final table to second day (Day One of Real Event)  Just so we can be a part of the weekend?  I live satty on the Friday night!!

I am just saying if I am driving up early to get on reserve list, I might as well play a game.... 

Surely that isn"t any more unfair than the online sat system and gives live players a fair shake at a satty?  

[duke3016]

I"ll not hear a bad word about the silver tongued Wogan......

Don"t start me, it could get ugly

[Noe]

I think the size that APAT has grown to (and it"s growing more and more by the day) - there are just going to be even more people disappointed with every event that rolls around. I really do think that two starting days really needs to be considered.

For people saying it should only be reserved for prestigious events or whatever I would say - EVERY single APAT event is prestigious in my and a lot of people"s opinions. There are only 7 events in the season (exlcuding team event), that is pretty prestigious in my eyes, to have the chance to be one of only 7 champions each season.

I for one would happily get the day off on a Friday to play in an APAT event. And I honestly think if the option of two starting days was put out as an option most people would be happy and it would only be a small minority grumbling...

Bump - good ideas in this one.  as for people who run APAT missing out on family and work etc...   apat HAS GROWN, i AM SURE LOADS OF PEOPLE WOUDL VOLUNTEER TO HELP IF THIS IS WHAT AS HOLDING BACK A BIGGER EVENT.

[lukybugur]

Glad to hear you guys are looking for a solution.  Here is my idea:  How about a Day One Event on Friday that sends final table to second day (Day One of Real Event)  Just so we can be a part of the weekend?  A live satty on the Friday night!!

We"re always happy to listen to suggestions but the above has many flaws.

By running a Friday Night Satellite you"re discriminating against more APATers as this is only a viable option for those who live close to the casino and who can take a Friday off work. Many travel for a £75 150+ Runner Event - I for one would not travel and go to the expense and trouble of booking accommodation for a £10/£20 Satellite.

The clickfest remains the fairest way.

[AMRN]

I think the size that APAT has grown to (and it"s growing more and more by the day) - there are just going to be even more people disappointed with every event that rolls around. I really do think that two starting days really needs to be considered.

For people saying it should only be reserved for prestigious events or whatever I would say - EVERY single APAT event is prestigious in my and a lot of people"s opinions. There are only 7 events in the season (exlcuding team event), that is pretty prestigious in my eyes, to have the chance to be one of only 7 champions each season.

I for one would happily get the day off on a Friday to play in an APAT event. And I honestly think if the option of two starting days was put out as an option most people would be happy and it would only be a small minority grumbling...

Bump - good ideas in this one.  as for people who run APAT missing out on family and work etc...   apat HAS GROWN, i AM SURE LOADS OF PEOPLE WOUDL VOLUNTEER TO HELP IF THIS IS WHAT AS HOLDING BACK A BIGGER EVENT.

careful...!!

[Noe]

Clickfest is Bingo.  Starting the event on Friday and letting people committed to it to travel, expense take time off work, etc.... it isn"t any more unfair then bingo approach.    I think there was a really good Friday start date post suggested I quoted and it woudl be nice if you guys would consider it.

[scouse3465]

Clickfest is Bingo.  Starting the event on Friday and letting people committed to it to travel, expense take time off work, etc.... it isn"t any more unfair then bingo approach.    I think there was a really good Friday start date post suggested I quoted and it woudl be nice if you guys would consider it.

I believe it has and always is being considered. you have to remember this is non profit making and is done to please as many members as possible, it is impossible to please all opf the people all of the time. Although Des and the team do there best to do this

[Noe]

careful...!!

People volunteering to help isn"t a bad thing is it?  

[MintTrav]

People volunteering to help isn"t a bad thing is it?  

You do know that these are unpaid volunteers and not those paid volunteers you sometimes come across:

We"ve got to remember that APAT is run by volunteers, and unpaid volunteers at that.

[Jon MW]

Clickfest is Bingo.  ...

Except it isn"t.

If you"re there when the link goes live, and you"re not an idiot, then you can get a seat.

The more times you try to register or buy things online the better you get - that kind of rules out luck.

Ergo, bingo is not an appropriate simile.

[Ripple11]

The best way to try and secure a seat is to play the online sats.

I can see at least half of the seats being allocated this way in future.

Of course this will make for less seats on the clickfest..........

I feel the need , the need for speed.

[scouse3465]

how about more satellites ?

[Noe]

Clickfest is Bingo.  ...

Except it isn"t.

If you"re there when the link goes live, and you"re not an idiot, then you can get a seat.

The more times you try to register or buy things online the better you get - that kind of rules out luck.

Ergo, bingo is not an appropriate simile.

Suggesting that anybody who was sat at their PC at 9pm and didn"t get a seat is an idiot is unfair and harsh.  Acting as if the suggestions and ideas put forth are an insult to the organizers or somehow undermine their efforts is madness. 

We (I) am trying to make helpful, not insulting suggestions, as it sounds to me like everybody in this thread are doing.  We realize it is run by volunteers.   Adding in ideas or pointing out where other have suggested solutions that might allow more people who want to participate be able to do so, should not be offensive. 

My comment about volunteers was in response to an argument of why adding a second day is a bad idea.  I would assume more people would volunteer their time if that is what it took.  None of the suggestions I have read here today are put forth to incite a defensive or demoralizing debate.  It is simply adults talking out loud ideas and exchanging valid points, whys, how, what if(s).

Have we reached the capacity?!  I doubt we have heard the end of this debate and everybody whom didn't make it in this event are all excited to hear how the APAT will grow to fit the demand!  

Nobody has said anything here to diminish the thoughtfulness and hard work of the men who started this brilliant association.