Correct call, or bad play?

[AMRN]

Wouldn"t mind some opinions on a hand I played at Walsall last night..... lost a little sleep over this one.  Was significant chip leader at the time and looking to take advantage of people gambling with short stacks as day one drew to a close.

I had 110k whilst average stack was around 36k and blinds were 1k/2k/a100, and was on the button with  jh th

The table folded round to me and obviously I"m not folding here. The SB only had around 10k, so not a threat if he shoved, and the BB has 29k. The BB had shoved the last two times I had raised from the button, and I knew he was looking to doouble up or go home. In hindsight, I probably should have just raised enough on the button to set the BB all in and let him decide if wanted to call for his tourney, but I didn"t, and got myself into a situation where I had to make a decision.

So, I raised to 6k, SB folded, and BB insta shoved. With my 6k, his 6k, the SB"s 1k, and 1k of antes, there was 14k in the pot, and his raise was 23k, making total amount in the middle 37k. I therefore needed to call 23k to win a pot of 60k - I make this a need to have a 38% winning chance to make the call correct. I knew he could have random cards, and there was an outside chance I may even be in the lead at this point..... but so long as I wasn"t dominated my chances of winning were probably in the region of 40%, therefore giving me the rights odds to call.

I called and lost the pot, doubling him up to a decent sized stack, and dropping me back down to the rest of the pack.

Was this a correct call... or was it just a stupid call and a situation I should have avoided to leave myself with significant chip lead? (Is Noble1 around today?)

[Waz1892]

i think as you know he"s ready to either double or go...his cards can be anything. he isn"t really caring, so in this case I put maths a bit lower in the thinking

The very fact you have a good "read" on him, in that he shoved last 2 times..you must know whatever you raise either 3x bb or indeed enough to put him in..he will call.

So my question would be to myself..do i play j10s for 29k of my stack. 

I would have either folded or limp call..hope to see a flop..(acknowledging it could be 3 way flop with both blinds) but i can get away if i miss...or can clean if i hit big time

but heck i didn"t even qualify!

[cincicrappykid]

with a big chip stack did u need to get involved? surley u will find a better spot on day 2 rather than chance being 6/4 dog for a third of ur chips, u got where u are making good decisions keep it up fella   :as: da nuts    

[George2Loose]

U know the answer to this I think Steve- u have to call. And I think u should open on the button. Just one of those things.

[BOINGBLITZ]

Dont mind the raise Steve, but in my opinion you can get away from it if, as expected, he does push.
  If you are going to call anyway, then maybe a limp there may have been the best play and see how it pans out from there ?
 You may then win even more chips if BOTH blinds push, thinking you are weak, and you would not be risking anymore chips than you do by calling his raise as you did.

[TopPair2Pair]

So my question would be to myself..do i play j10s for 29k of my stack. 

Agree with everyting waz said below and above sentance even moreso in this situation given the stacksizes.

JTs is "pretty" here and worth a punt with a 2K limp imo. having position on bb+post flop I feel much more comfortable with JTs then pre, its not exactly textbook but then at this stage every little action can determine your tournement future and this is what I personally prefer to do here, calling any repop up to 4xbb. Its not particularily a strong agressive play but something i am happy to get away with.

[Honeybadg]

... do you want to call with a less than average hand?

Limp or fold for me ... well played on getting a six figure stack ... why make it vulnerable?

Once you have raised not unreasonable to call.

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[mal666]

i think as you know he"s ready to either double or go...his cards can be anything. he isn"t really caring, so in this case I put maths a bit lower in the thinking

The very fact you have a good "read" on him, in that he shoved last 2 times..you must know whatever you raise either 3x bb or indeed enough to put him in..he will call.

So my question would be to myself..do i play j10s for 29k of my stack. 

I would have either folded or limp call..hope to see a flop..(acknowledging it could be 3 way flop with both blinds) but i can get away if i miss...or can clean if i hit big time

but heck i didn"t even qualify!

omg folding pre is terrible and limp calling is worse!
2 options, as played or raise to an amount he knows your never folding 10k-29k
Just make sure you know what your going to do with the 6 raise before it gets popped back.

[George2Loose]

actually didn"t realise how big the raise was (skimmed it earlier)

Maths wise its probs a call but you can probably find better spots to get your money in

[WYoung83]

AMRN, i have just done a ruff caculation in my head, and maths wise you need roughly 30% winning chance to make this call (getting not quite 3-1),

so if he has AK/Q it is a mandatory call, and according to stats evan up against AJ you are just a 2.5-1 dog anway. so easy call by me, but then thats why i went broke at 10.00pm because i am willing to gamble a bit in close situations, because if you try to make the correct maths decision in the long run you will obviously show profit.

[Roscopiko]

Bigger raise pre for me to tell him you cant fold here.  Dont mind taking a shot with J10 though with your stack

[bbmoney]

you got some strange answers here

if your fairly sure the BB is gonna push,J hi... even on the button is an instant fold,why do you want to donk off  your chips either folding to a reraise or worse still calling it like you did

you have to relise you had no chips in pot,and have healthy stack so why get involved,chips you save are as important as chips you win in tourni"s

cash hand you can have it with J10,you can always reload  

good luck

[AMRN]

you got some strange answers here

if your fairly sure the BB is gonna push,J hi... even on the button is an instant fold,why do you want to donk off  your chips either folding to a reraise or worse still calling it like you did

you have to relise you had no chips in pot,and have healthy stack so why get involved,chips you save are as important as chips you win in tourni"s

cash hand you can have it with J10,you can always reload  

good luck

As chip leader, with a big space down to second place, there"s no way I can fold JTs on the button in an un-opened pot.... just ain"t ever gonna happen - way too nitty for me. 

On reflection, the correct play for the situation was a substantial raise to put the decision on the BB to call for his tourney.

[jbworldwide]

you got some strange answers here

if your fairly sure the BB is gonna push,J hi... even on the button is an instant fold,why do you want to donk off  your chips either folding to a reraise or worse still calling it like you did

you have to relise you had no chips in pot,and have healthy stack so why get involved,chips you save are as important as chips you win in tourni"s

cash hand you can have it with J10,you can always reload  

good luck

As chip leader, with a big space down to second place, there"s no way I can fold JTs on the button in an un-opened pot.... just ain"t ever gonna happen - way too nitty for me. 

On reflection, the correct play for the situation was a substantial raise to put the decision on the BB to call for his tourney.

The fact the guy also went on to say I didn"t think you would call, I think backs up your conclusion

[George2Loose]

problem is if you make a bigger raise pre with marginal hands and standard with good hands you"re telegraphing your range imo