Out of turn ruling

[hi_am_chris]

When a player acts out of turn it seams there are different rulings depending on the casino or event, which is more common? playing at Grosvenor i acted out of turn and was told if my opponent checks i must check but in another event a player did it and was told that his action would stand if his opponent checks

[HaworthBantam]

I believe that one of the pet hates of APAT, and just about every player on the circuit, I should imagine, is the different rules or interpretations of rules in different casinos.

This is one of those cases.

I think we"re all hoping that some standardisation will come into being soon, hopefully Thomas Kremser will be the voice of reason and push this issue forward (his interview with tikay on PokerWeek on Sky was most interesting).

[Paulie_D]

Yeah..different places..different interpretations.

In general though...

A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on their next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed.

What this means in practise is that whatever you say, out of turn, is binding UNLESS the action is changed by a player before you who has not yet acted.

(I think!)

[UKChamp]

It should be striaght forward, verbal and non verbal actions stand, irrespective of timing and preceeding actions.

Cant say ive ever fell foul of it as yet, although for some reason I expose my cards from time to time, bad habit to be dropped!

[duke3016]

At the recent APAT in Luton I was first to act and was thinking when the two players left in, on my left checked. I brought this to the attention of the dealer and said I wanted to bet. He apologised and said he didn"t see my cards and got a ruling. The ruling was a checked board. I bet next card anyway and they folded but that doesn"t seem to fit the explanation of the previous post....

[HaworthBantam]

....so if I was heads up with you Gerard, second to act, and I wanted to see the turn or river for free all I"d need do is get my "check" in before you could act ? Wow, seems a nonsense to me.

When I"m TD"ing I definitely do not follow that rule. If a player checks out of turn with me then action goes back to the player who"s turn it is to act, to make a play. The player that"s then acted out of turn is allowed to call any bet made, or fold, but is not allowed to raise.

[kinboshi]

....so if I was heads up with you Gerard, second to act, and I wanted to see the turn or river for free all I"d need do is get my "check" in before you could act ? Wow, seems a nonsense to me.

When I"m TD"ing I definitely do not follow that rule. If a player checks out of turn with me then action goes back to the player who"s turn it is to act, to make a play. The player that"s then acted out of turn is allowed to call any bet made, or fold, but is not allowed to raise.

That"s the usual way of dealing with it.  Although it does allow people to make "plays" with monster hands, by checking out of turn to disguise their hand.  Of course, pulling a stroke like this they deserve to be outdrawn on the flop.