Is it a Bra on head moment or genius?

[noble1]

Please try not to be results oriented.

If you find yourself in this situation at these stakes how would you proceed in Barrys position?
Likewise what do you do if your in Eastgates seat?

Up to now Durr has a loose image but has not been playing way out of line,Eastgate has been playing solid.Barry is thought of as tight by some but he is more middle of the road/thinker who is well capable of making moves himself imo but for arguments sake lets say his image here is tight ish

Starting stacks are roughly -
Barry 230k , Tom 500k , Peter 500k , the blinds are 400/800 ante 200.

the hand in question is around 3mins in , you"ll spot it believe me!!

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[pables]

Oh to be in the position to be in that position would be cool enuf 4 me I don"t think I cld fold in Eastgates position and 4 the amount in the pot I in my ltd poker ability I couldn/t put Durrrr on better than Greensteins hand and of course wld have pushed thats probably why I play .05/.10  

Please try not to be results oriented.

If you find yourself in this situation at these stakes how would you proceed in Barrys position?
Likewise what do you do if your in Eastgates seat?

Up to now Durr has a loose image but has not been playing way out of line,Eastgate has been playing solid.Barry is thought of as tight by some but he is more middle of the road/thinker who is well capable of making moves himself imo but for arguments sake lets say his image here is tight ish

Starting stacks are roughly -
Barry 230k , Tom 500k , Peter 500k , the blinds are 400/800 ante 200.

the hand in question is around 3mins in , you"ll spot it believe me!!

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[AMRN]

Eastgate has to have put Tom on a bigger 2, or pockets tens.   Thing is, would Tom have raised Barry"s c-bet with a flopped house, or flopped trips, or would have been a little more trappy....??  Then, would he have bet so large on the turn with such a monster hand?

I think Eastgate made a weak fold there, and was probably playing scared - after all, even for him, $500k on a hand is probably a little too much to risk.  If he had thought it through, he had to know it was highly likely that he"s ahead here.

Would Eastgate have folded there if played $1/$2 with $500 in front of him - course he wouldn"t, therefore he played incorrectly.

[rubertoe]

Eastgate has to have put Tom on a bigger 2, or pockets tens.   Thing is, would Tom have raised Barry"s c-bet with a flopped house, or flopped trips, or would have been a little more trappy....??  Then, would he have bet so large on the turn with such a monster hand?

I think Eastgate made a weak fold there, and was probably playing scared - after all, even for him, $500k on a hand is probably a little too much to risk.  If he had thought it through, he had to know it was highly likely that he"s ahead here.

Would Eastgate have folded there if played $1/$2 with $500 in front of him - course he wouldn"t, therefore he played incorrectly.

This is what i was gonna write!!!

i think "durr" set him up tough, watch the previous episodes and the other players know that Eastgate is playing scared - he aint Jamie gold though - reckless - but i still seem him going the same way (broke in this game)!!

[George2Loose]

this play only works against thinking players- do not try this at your local casino!

ps: durr may be the greatest imo

[George2Loose]

Eastgate has to have put Tom on a bigger 2, or pockets tens.   Thing is, would Tom have raised Barry"s c-bet with a flopped house, or flopped trips, or would have been a little more trappy....??  Then, would he have bet so large on the turn with such a monster hand?

I think Eastgate made a weak fold there, and was probably playing scared - after all, even for him, $500k on a hand is probably a little too much to risk.  If he had thought it through, he had to know it was highly likely that he"s ahead here.

Would Eastgate have folded there if played $1/$2 with $500 in front of him - course he wouldn"t, therefore he played incorrectly.

Steve I strongly disagree with that last statement. The fact is Tom is taking this extra dynamic into account.

Question- if this was a 1/2 game would Dwan re raise flop and bet turn- doubtful!!!

If you were playing in a £10/£20, no matter how good you are- the money is always gonna be a factor.

PLUS Eastgate"s hand is FACE UP. When he flats- what else is he calling with? His thinking would be "Tom knows I"m cold calling with a 2, how has he lead 105k into me with a player behind me???"

AND have u seen Dwan play??? He deffo would re raise with a 2 here!

[Zanshin]

3 Episodes in now and Tom has been absolute class.....

[noble1]

I thought this was a great hand to analyze from Barrys perspective on the turn as i could not honestly think why he folded..

His pre-flop raise imo with so many loose calls up to now was a tad small - 2900/3000 to go for a opener would be better [then keep that my std raise until if at all the table calms down although unlikely with so many loose players being deep stacked  ]

I agree with the c-bet and yes it does smell over pair but taking a check call line is way to spewy/weak and i would want to define my hand.
The c-bet is important here as any 3 way action now [with so many callers pre]such as call then re-raise or vice versa or even just 2 calls or more , pretty much means someone likely has a deuce or TT for a boat.
Barry gets re-raised by Durr - the way my logic works here [may be sick] is discount TT [why rr with so many yet to act behind and also i"d expect someone like Durr to of re-raised TT pre-flop again given his position with 6 left to act behind] he could have a deuce,trying to find out if his ten is good or he is bluffing.

Now the sick part for Barry - Peter calls the re-raise in the small blind,he has seen a bet and a re-raise and smooth calls oop - TT or a deuce

What is Barry to do? personally i"d fold now after Peters call but Barry calls to see a turn card... [ok ish take a flyer see if i can hit an ace]

The interesting part of the hand the turn card 7 and seeing 2 players check to him Durr fires out 100k into a 130k pot and Peter folds very quickly..

Ok now for my sick logic - i"ve discounted Durr from having TT and i"m still of that opinion. Peter must of folded a weak deuce fearing Durr has a deuce/better kicker or maybe tens and does not want to lose 500k.
Now that i"m pretty sure Peter has folded a deuce that makes it more unlikely Durr has one.
So why fire out big on the turn - 2 players have just shown weakness/or possible loss of interest in the hand by checking to him.He is more than likely putting Barry on a over pair and is using his ten to discount Peter from having TT and the check by Peter is good enough reason for Durr to bet big and possibly knock him off a weak deuce and Eastgate for some reason believes him...
This idea that Durr has used a Ten in his hand to discount Peter from having TT is the crucial part of my logic here. I"d be damn sure Durr does not have TT,but why after Peters call on the flop is he betting so big and seemingly discounting the chance of Peter having it [TT flopped boat],Durr most likely/has to have a ten in his hand,it fits in with his re-raise to find out where he was at and Peters call blows any chance of him repping a deuce to Barry imo so when Peter checks the turn Durr just sees this as a opportunity to bluff Peter off his weak deuce and sees Barrys check as a signal of giving up on his hand.

Sorry about trying to put my thinking process in writing   but basically it is -
I know you have not got TT but why do you think i have not got it therefore you must have a Ten to even think about dismissing it from my range.
The fact Peter called the re-raise on flop made his range very narrow it was either a deuce or Tens full.So Durrs big bet on the turn would pretty much of swung me in me thinking that he had to have a ten to make that move...

does my logic make sense to anyone else lol lol

anyhows with Barrys hand/stack and the pot size on the turn , hand on heart if i"d been him with his bankroll i would of gone all in.

edit -

This hand intrigues me having followed the debate on 2+2..I think you have to put yourself in Durrs and Peters position and play out all the possibilitys in your head and see what makes sense.
Having read 2+2 and listened to Barrys views now,even he thought afterwards about Durr having a single ten but Peters fold [quick] on the turn threw him.
Some suggested that Peter could of had called with AT or an over pair on the flop.
Meh i do not think so,having seen a lead by Barry and a re-raise by Durr would Eastgate smooth AT or JJ say oop to see what happens on the turn? somehow i do not think so [he is not that bad] even if Peter thinks Durr is bluffing or has a ten Barrys lead still says big pair and Eastgates position in the hand makes it extremely unlikely in my mind that he will call to bluff on later streets..No matter how much i think , i still cannot see Peter calling with anything less than a deuce.[FITS IN WITH HIS STYLE]
So i"m back to why did Barry put Durr on a deuce?

someone please offer an explanation......i"m gonna stop thinking this one through lol lol

[LongshanksED]

once there is 8 players in the pot and a few players have bet post flop i think it is more down to playing your cards

durr could easily have a 2 and with the huge pot odds pre flop with everyone coming along even a 23 would be playable

i wouldnt have folded my 2 that for damn sure

[noble1]

he is utg+1 longshanks,why would u put him on a 2 so quickly? and then after the action on the flop?
and a few players bet post flop? only 1 bet post by utg raiser leading into 7 people..
Plus your idea on on playing the cards seems strange,,

Did he call a utg raise with A2 [barry has 2 aces looking from his perspective] K2s is a maybe but very marginal as is 23 24 25 the type of 2"s he would play because they make a wheel [utg+1 with so many yet to act can u see him smoothing with 6 to act]

once there is 8 players in the pot and a few players have bet post flop i think it is more down to playing your cards