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LongshanksED

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Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« on: March 21, 2009, 20:29:40 PM »
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T4-91967806-25
played at "Weimar" for USD TC from 2009-03-21 15:14 until 2009-03-21 15:15

DOUBLE OR NOTHING



Seat 1: damon05 ($2,590 in chips)  
Seat 3: cyclohexen ($1,205 in chips)  
Seat 4: tinus08 ($3,415 in chips)  
Seat 5: l0ng5hank ($1,505 in chips)  [ 7S,7D ]
Seat 6: robertport ($1,815 in chips)  
Seat 7: texas68texas ($1,175 in chips)  
Seat 8: thuiskon ($900 in chips)  
Seat 9: Rasputin_8 ($1,120 in chips)  
Seat 10: jdcahill64 ($1,275 in chips)  



ANTES/BLINDS
tinus08 posts small blind ($75), l0ng5hank posts big blind ($150).

PRE-FLOP
robertport bets $1,815 and is all-in,
texas68texas folds,
thuiskon folds,
Rasputin_8 folds,
jdcahill64 folds,
damon05 folds,
cyclohexen folds,
tinus08 folds,
l0ng5hank calls $1,355 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards: KS,7H,2H ]


TURN [board cards: KS,7H,2H,3D ]


RIVER [board cards: KS,7H,2H,3D,4S ]


SHOWDOWN
robertport shows [ KC,AC ]
l0ng5hank shows [ 7S,7D ]
robertport wins $310, l0ng5hank wins $3,085.



SUMMARY
Dealer: cyclohexen
Pot: $3,395
damon05, loses $0
cyclohexen, loses $0
tinus08, loses $75
l0ng5hank, bets $1,505, collects $3,085, net $1,580
robertport, loses $1,505
texas68texas, loses $0
thuiskon, loses $0
Rasputin_8, loses $0
jdcahill64, loses $0


looking at the number of BB i have left and my opponent i put the UTG on AK or AQ and doesnt know how to play post flop or is scared incase he doesnt hit and doesnt want to be crippled if he puts a big bet in and loses

fortunelty i hit a 7 and took the pot but i dont think i did much wrong

had he raised it to 600 or 750 i"d have probably folded as i didnt fancy being crippled myself and in a 50/50 situation and still lots of room to play - i could"ve tried the stop n go as an alternative

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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2009, 20:44:19 PM »

looking at the number of BB i have left and my opponent i put the UTG on AK or AQ and doesnt know how to play post flop or is scared in case he doesnt hit and doesnt want to be crippled if he puts a big bet in and loses

fortunelty i hit a 7 and took the pot but i dont think i did much wrong


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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 21:08:06 PM »
Your read was obviously spot on, but he could have had mid to Jacks pair, in which case you"re losing. Your read was spot on and you were racing, so the call depends on whether you are prepared to gamble or wait for a better spot.
But I have no argument with the way you decided to play it.
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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2009, 02:14:45 AM »
you put him on a range of 2 hands?

me thinks you need to look into correct [double or nothing]sng strategy - this link will help , by the way jennifear knows what she is talking about and as well as being a very good profitable sng player is also a very good coach .. she knows her stuff...

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-articles/an-overview-of-double-or-nothing-sng-tournaments-3898341

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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2009, 02:17:20 AM »
in double or nothing strategy or normal sit n go strategy its a fold

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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 02:15:43 AM »
insta fold imo. could quite easily do this with 88 99 1010 and you only need to come in top 5, why do you need to race?

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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 08:35:36 AM »
Regardless of the form of tournament poker, I never understand why anyone would want to CALL for their stack with a small pair knowing they are either at worst an 18% underdog to an overpair, or at best c50% racing against two overcards. Unless he holds an unpaired 6 or lower, the best you are hoping for is a coin flip.  Why would you want to ship in your whole stack when you have such a low chance of winning the hand?

Even if your read is right in this example and he has AQ or AK, you"re still only a marginal favourite - in these DoN SNGs there really is no need to take this sort of risk when you still have a reasonable stack. It came good for you this time, but it"s definitely -EV long term.

77 is a shoving hand, but certainly not one to call with.


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Re: Should i have called pre flop - double or nothing sng
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 11:55:15 AM »

Regardless of the form of tournament poker, I never understand why anyone would want to CALL for their stack with a small pair knowing they are either at worst an 18% underdog to an overpair, or at best c50% racing against two overcards. Unless he holds an unpaired 6 or lower, the best you are hoping for is a coin flip.  Why would you want to ship in your whole stack when you have such a low chance of winning the hand?

Even if your read is right in this example and he has AQ or AK, you"re still only a marginal favourite - in these DoN SNGs there really is no need to take this sort of risk when you still have a reasonable stack. It came good for you this time, but it"s definitely -EV long term.

77 is a shoving hand, but certainly not one to call with.




In a sit and go this is a turbo muck. In an MTT it"s much closer dependant on blinds and antes and your stack size but certainly from an utg shove, you should not be calling off here esp a DON
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