Ticket Sales

[RioRodent]

Some of you may have read my views on this subject on blonde... but since this is now the correct place to discuss this I have copied that post below -

I think any suggestion of seeding or giving priority to anyone is just wrong (unless it is to the inaugural S American Open Champion!!).

This just means that someone who was not lucky enough (for any number of reasons), to secure a seat in one or more previous tourneys, then has even less chance of getting into a future one.

APAT live tournaments, it seems to me, should be open to all APAT members, with equal oppurtunity.

For what it"s worth, I think the method used this time is getting there ie.

1. Live satellite at venue - although I think 20 of 150 seats is a bit high.
2. Online satellites - I think 3 x 9 seats is about right. (DesD, Would it be possible to prevent someone playing a 2nd sat if they had already won a seat in a previous one)
3. A direct pay "Clickfest" - with remaining seats made available in 3 seperate lots over 3 days, this should give most people the oppurtunity to have a go.

As for a draw, I think this is the worst option. Whilst it may appear to be the fairest way, I can assure you that the only way to may a random draw look truely random is to rig it!! You will get some people getting into every tourney while others never get into one.

Well, that"s my 2p worth... I think I need a lay down!

[MAIR]

I have to say Mikelott, I like the clapping as people go out, it makes the atmosphere.  I can understand your point when people are going out all the time but if I am in a pot and concentrating I don"t clap purely because I am so deeply involved I don"t notice.  However, there are plenty of people who won"t be in a hand that I think can clap without having and major effect on their game.

I agree with you Cazzaline, it makes for a great and respectful atmosphere.

[FlyingPig73]

I have to say Mikelott, I like the clapping as people go out, it makes the atmosphere.  I can understand your point when people are going out all the time but if I am in a pot and concentrating I don"t clap purely because I am so deeply involved I don"t notice.  However, there are plenty of people who won"t be in a hand that I think can clap without having and major effect on their game.

I agree with you Cazzaline, it makes for a great and respectful atmosphere.

I like the clapping bit...This is something I think which has gone on from Bham...In Bham Tikay asked for the applause for the first person out, and we all clapped but then the next person went out and it was the right thing to do, and so on and so on ,,, we all clapped as each player went out. This carried on right until I went out (6th) and it made me feel a lot better.... You get beat your stomach sinks, but the round of applause of the remaining players (and railers) makes you smile...This makes a difference.. Keep it up... It doesnt cost nothing...and will never hury anyone, but it will make a difference to the atmosphere aroud the place..

As for the tickets, I dont like the draws. The online and live sats are a good idea, and the click fest... If you want to get in and there is a click fest, you will get in...There may of been problems with the clickfest system in the past, but the mixture of sats (live and online) and clickfest IMO is the best option...

I once went to a family party late to make sure I was in for the clickfest..

[SirPercival]

APAT has trialled a number of seat allocation methods during season one and the range of opinions in the few responses above, shows what a challenge it will be to find a method that will be universally accepted.

I think it is fair to say, as a live play organisation, that casino tournament play should have a significant part to play in the allocation process.  Similarly, we will have a responsibility to our sponsors to allocate a percentage of the seats via their channels.  Direct buy in or member draws thereafter?  The jury is out and it will be interesting to hear your views here.

We first need to decide if we want, as well as achieve, bigger fields. A number of suggestions have been put forward that could help with this. A bigger field would reduce (not eliminate) the frustration for those, like me, who didn"t get into 1 or more of the live events.

[nosey-p]

Is it possible to have 2 day one's say start at 12.00 play until 6 any who are still in return back on Sunday then have dinner the second group start at 7 till 1. It would mean a bigger field on Sunday but since they seem to finish about 8 there is plenty of time, you could start earlier on Sunday

Can this work?  

Are am I talking out of my back side (Please be careful with your reply )

[Des_D]

Is it possible to have 2 day one's say start at 12.00 play until 6 any who are still in return back on Sunday then have dinner the second group start at 7 till 1. It would mean a bigger field on Sunday but since they seem to finish about 8 there is plenty of time, you could start earlier on Sunday

Can this work?  

Are am I talking out of my back side (Please be careful with your reply )

Sounds like you want to run two day ones in one day.  That"s backside worthy  

[nosey-p]

Just trying to make more work for you Des

[Robbiebox]

I agree that the demand is there , so why not try more to accomodate it. If 400 want to play lets try to let them or at least as many as possible.

Can we not have 2 days (you could apply for Fri or Sat depending on work commitments)

OR

as was suggested earlier use 2 or 3 casinos in the same town. I can"t see how casinos would object to being filled by a 150+ poker players for at least one day although I suppose there would be some cat fighting over who hosted the Final table.

Are there any other ways we could get more playing at the live events??

[nosey-p]

Will the European live tournament be over three days as in the calendar?

[WiseOwl]

My suggestion is to publish the calendar of live events at the start of the season and invite members to rank them in the order that they would most like to attend.  Then to pre-allocate everybody at least one seat (and hopefully more) based on their individual preferences. I suggest that 75% of the seats for each tournament could be allocated in this manner and the rest made available through the current mix of live and on-line satellites and click-fest this should reduce the number of complaints about whichever click-fest method is chosen. I don"t know how many members APAT has and I doubt whether everybody would get their first choice but at least each member would get a seat somewhere.  

[FlyingPig73]

My suggestion is to publish the calendar of live events at the start of the season and invite members to rank them in the order that they would most like to attend.  Then to pre-allocate everybody at least one seat (and hopefully more) based on their individual preferences. I suggest that 75% of the seats for each tournament could be allocated in this manner and the rest made available through the current mix of live and on-line satellites and click-fest this should reduce the number of complaints about whichever click-fest method is chosen. I don"t know how many members APAT has and I doubt whether everybody would get their first choice but at least each member would get a seat somewhere. 

Can I rate all events as "number 1".. .. I really want to play them all, but due to things that have clashed I could play in 2,,,,,,,

[Harmony26]

I have to say Mikelott, I like the clapping as people go out, it makes the atmosphere.  I can understand your point when people are going out all the time but if I am in a pot and concentrating I don"t clap purely because I am so deeply involved I don"t notice.  However, there are plenty of people who won"t be in a hand that I think can clap without having and major effect on their game.

Good post!

Don"t abandon the clapping and the friendly atmosphere - it is a major aspect of the APAt events.

[Harmony26]

i would support a system where the on-line regular players get first chance as these are the people who support the APAT regally ...

I would be a regular APAt online player if i did not have to work on a Saturday night.......